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07-28-2006, 05:16 PM
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Re: set fold vs josh
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i hate to give clues as to what i did or did not have, but i think flat calling the flop raise with a set is really awful [/ QUOTE ] you're wrong 
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#12
07-28-2006, 05:17 PM
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Re: set fold vs josh
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i hate to give clues as to what i did or did not have, but i think flat calling the flop raise with a set is really awful [/ QUOTE ] No doubt, I would never do it vs. donk, 2+2er, or anyone in between, but it seems like you guys like to mix it up against each other sometimes.
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#13
07-28-2006, 05:19 PM
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Re: set fold vs josh
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[ QUOTE ] i hate to give clues as to what i did or did not have, but i think flat calling the flop raise with a set is really awful [/ QUOTE ] you're wrong [/ QUOTE ] and let the 2 guys in the middle get decent odds? and leave myself out of position?
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#14
07-28-2006, 05:21 PM
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Re: set fold vs josh
Decent odds for what? If they all have draws they're taking each others outs, and you're still a favorite over all of them even if all 4 are in the pot. A, 5, and 6 are the only cards you hate to see. Plus, no one would ever think you had a set playing it this way - though you'd be repping the straight.
Not a line I'd use often, but it's not terrible either.
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#15
07-28-2006, 05:24 PM
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Re: set fold vs josh
you're deep enough that there is still room to play. this is exactly like a set on a single suited flop. you do not want to play a huge pot on the flop in a limped pot. you want to see the turn.
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#16
07-28-2006, 05:24 PM
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Re: set fold vs josh
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i like your analysis though you don't mention what i think phil has when he calls the turn. [/ QUOTE ] I figure you'd have to put him on a decent draw or a medium PP (hence his flop raise).
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#17
07-28-2006, 05:25 PM
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Re: set fold vs josh
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Decent odds for what? If they all have draws they're taking each others outs, and you're still a favorite over all of them even if all 4 are in the pot. A, 5, and 6 are the only cards you hate to see. Plus, no one would ever think you had a set playing it this way - though you'd be repping the straight. Not a line I'd use often, but it's not terrible either. [/ QUOTE ] i don't remember how those guys play, but considering they limped then called, i'm assuming they're bad. a bad player is calling any flush draw or any oesd. and what do you mean by taking each other's outs? i would expect 1 of them to usually call with one of these types of draws, and i don't think phil has a draw too often. plus even if a middle caller has no draw, it still makes the hand harder to play correctly if a scary card comes off
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#18
07-28-2006, 05:26 PM
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Re: set fold vs josh
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Josh I can't put you on a hand. If you had the missed NF draw would you push the river? [/ QUOTE ] i dont think that josh bluffs the NFD here because every combo draw missed on the turn and river and thus, if i have a made hand, it looks pretty good. i think that the ONLY hand that im folding that i would have gotten to the river are 35d and 45.
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#19
07-28-2006, 05:27 PM
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Re: set fold vs josh
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you're deep enough that there is still room to play. this is exactly like a set on a single suited flop. you do not want to play a huge pot on the flop in a limped pot. you want to see the turn. [/ QUOTE ] stop giving away these things. sets are invulnerable and any action aside from bet or raise on the flop means you are a pansy.
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#20
07-28-2006, 05:29 PM
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Re: set fold vs josh
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[ QUOTE ] Josh I can't put you on a hand. If you had the missed NF draw would you push the river? [/ QUOTE ] i dont think that josh bluffs the NFD here because every combo draw missed on the turn and river and thus, if i have a made hand, it looks pretty good. i think that the ONLY hand that im folding that i would have gotten to the river are 35d and 56. [/ QUOTE ] I love how you keep saying 56. In my book 56 makes the nuts.
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