(2/4) Waiting until the river

[PokerPadawan]

One extra BB if called. When you weigh the bets gained if called times the probability of villain calling, you'll see that a turn raise makes you more by a small fraction.

[Beastmaster]

I almost always will raise this on the turn, esp with the flush draw out. I want my 2 bets now and don't want to call the turn and then see villan check/fold the river. Also, when villan calls the 2 bet he still may hit a piece of the river and call down.

[gopnik]

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One extra BB if called. When you weigh the bets gained if called times the probability of villain calling, you'll see that a turn raise makes you more by a small fraction.

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I don't see how I make an extra BB by raising the turn instead of the river if villain has a worse A.
But I do see how I can miss a BB if villain folds his pp to my turn raise.

[gopnik]

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I almost always will raise this on the turn, esp with the flush draw out. I want my 2 bets now and don't want to call the turn and then see villan check/fold the river. Also, when villan calls the 2 bet he still may hit a piece of the river and call down.

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why do you assume that the villain is on the draw? What range do you put him on after his UTG raise? What piece is he going to hit? Afte the preflop and flop action, the villain is going to have an A or pp 90% of the time. The only hands that are drawing are KQ [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and KJ [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

[Beastmaster]

Villan unknown is the thing..they could have Ax of clubs.
Ak, AQ, AJ, A10..etc

I still raise this turn 90% of the time.

[Str8Fish]

I think raising the river foregoes much value betting that could have occurred between the flop and the turn.

[Mister Z]

I think we need to be more concerned about opponent checking the river than we do with him folding to our river raise.

[PokerPadawan]

Not really. Even if he bets the river 100% of the time, raising the turn is still better, because of what range of hands call the raises.

[True]

Reading the responses, some are way way way off....

This is definitely as good if not better than raising the turn. A lot of hands like 77 / air type hands he will fold to the turn raise but may c/c or bet the river allowing you to win +1 bb from them.

any legitimate hand that will call 2 on the turn and 1 on the river, will be more likely to call 1 on the turn and 2 on the river due to bigger pot odds and what not.

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[PokerPadawan]

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any legitimate hand that will call 2 on the turn and 1 on the river, will be more likely to call 1 on the turn and 2 on the river due to bigger pot odds and what not.

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Not at 2/4 and not when the 3rd club hits.