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#21
07-25-2006, 02:12 AM
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Re: Why do players think they can do this when not in a hand?
On a non-all-in raise, the dealer cuts the chips and counts out the total.
On an all-in, the dealer is to not touch the all-in players' chips until they are asked by someone else in the hand to count it down. 
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#22
07-25-2006, 06:54 AM
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Re: Why do players think they can do this when not in a hand?
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On a non-all-in raise, the dealer cuts the chips and counts out the total. On an all-in, the dealer is to not touch the all-in players' chips until they are asked by someone else in the hand to count it down. [/ QUOTE ] I have never understood the why we should treat an all-in bet differently then an bet that is not all-in. My own approach in NL is that if a player bets an amount that is easily identfiable I announce the amount of the bet. If the amount is not identfiable (but obviously a legal bet or raise)without breaking it down I simply announce "bet" or "raise" and do not count it until I am asked or it becomes necessary to do so to make sure that the pot is right or aother raise is of a sufficient size.
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#24
07-25-2006, 02:15 PM
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Re: Why do players think they can do this when not in a hand?
The main reason I don't play binky-limit NL is that I'm crap at it. The main reason I don't want to learn binky-limit NL well enough to be good at it is that those tables are inevitably populated by WPT wannabes. After you're done with all the posing, sullen stare downs, rules misinterpretations and related antics, you've barely got time to get a hand or two of poken in.
That, and although I can't really find that the quality of the social interaction at ANY poker table ever exceeds that of a ramshackle bowling alley at midnight, I can find a slightly higher caliber of conversation at the limit tables. I mean after all, I've got better things to do with my life than sit around a table with 9 underaged kids, all wearing their WPT poker uniforms (shades, cap, etc) trying harder to look cool than to win anything. I mean, yeah, there's some real earning potential there, but I just don't like stealing candy from babies, so what's the point?
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#25
07-25-2006, 02:19 PM
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Re: Why do players think they can do this when not in a hand?
Part of the reason I avoid 18+ casinos like the plague.
When we go to California for a weekend getaway, we used to go to Morongo, but with their 18+ rule, we make extra effort to go to Commerce instead.
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#26
07-25-2006, 09:31 PM
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Re: Why do players think they can do this when not in a hand?
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honestly I dont see the big deal. obviously no one is required to answer. I usually play limit, and sometimes I'll be out of a hand, turn to talk to someone out of the game or whatever and look back at the table to see five players in with two bets a piece. Is it bad for me to ask someone who raised? I dont feel entitled to an answer but would appreciate one. I dont direct the question to the dealer and he is the last I'd expect to answer it. [/ QUOTE ] Don't do that. You're outta the hand, it doesn't matter to you, and asking the question or getting an answer can potentially impact the play a teeny bit. It's certainly possible one or more of the players now in the hand wasn't paying attention and himself doesn't know who raised. But I'm not gonna bitch about it if someone at the table does ask "who raised?" And yeah, the rule in NL is that the dealer doesn't countdown the all-in bet unless/until another player in the hand asks for a count. Personally I think this is sometimes a time waster as we all watch the player contemplating the call stare for 30 seconds, THEN finally ask for a count, then ponder for another 30 seconds... dealer coulda been counting it down during that first 30. But rules is rules and yeah, it can impact the outcome to have the dealer count it out. Think along the lines of, "Oh! Only $40? ok...I was thinking for some reason that was $80...I CALL!" Folks without a stake in the hand need to stay out of the way as best they can.
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#27
07-26-2006, 08:19 PM
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Re: Why do players think they can do this when not in a hand?
I've said it so many times before. I'd rather play stud with the old timers/grouches or limit HE with less annoying people. I can't stand the running "expert" commentary on EVERY single hand. That and the posing (hat turned sideways, sunglasses, ipod, using poker terminology way too much,etc...) is just aggravating after a while.
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#28
07-26-2006, 10:09 PM
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Re: Why do players think they can do this when not in a hand?
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Affect. Affect is the verby one and effect is the weirdo one. "To the effect of blah blah blah" [/ QUOTE ] "effect" is also a verb.
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#29
07-27-2006, 12:31 AM
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Re: Why do players think they can do this when not in a hand?
I feel the same way when I'm dealing these games. You can always spot the WPT Wannabe, think they have the game, but are usually the donks at the table....I laugh (Inside) everytime I get one of these morons ask me for a chip count when their not in the hand and how they get angry when you tell them...
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