$20/180man KQ, tough

Evenkeal · #1 07-24-2006, 07:53 PM

Avg stack 10k, 27 left. BB is a rock, MP is LAG.
UTG+1 (t5670)
MP1 (t7650)
MP2 (t7278)
MP3 (t9755)
CO (t8305)
Button (t11024)
Hero (t8637)
BB (t8669)
UTG (t14375)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 raises to t1200, 4 folds, Hero calls t1000, BB raises to t2000, MP1 calls t800, Hero calls t800.

Flop: (t5975) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t2000, MP1 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: t7975

TwistedEcho · #2 07-24-2006, 07:54 PM

fold preflop

Evenkeal · #3 07-24-2006, 07:55 PM

MP1 lag, still a fold?

Tiltyjoker · #4 07-24-2006, 08:04 PM

yeah ur out of position.... so even if MP is a LAG your still more than likely gonna need to connect in order to continue. Flat calling out of position w/ a trouble/drawing hand like kq is not a good play at all. If you think MP is a lag a + your hand is good; then why not push over the top.....

ciaran · #5 07-24-2006, 08:17 PM

MP1 isn't the real problem here ultimately. If BB is truly a rock he's got you crushed with that min-raise behind you. Ignoring that for the moment, this is a raise or fold pre-flop OOP, and even if MP1 is a LAG he's raising into 6 people, so you'd want to be real sure he's LAG and can fold when you come over the top. I'd much rather use a healthy stack here to steal from the rocks than screw around with a LAG.

Chrisman886 · #6 07-24-2006, 08:26 PM

fold preflop twice

NoahSD · #7 07-24-2006, 08:40 PM

It's a fold or a push preflop the first time. If MP1's laggy but not maniacal, I'd push this... i.e. you have to be sure he's going to consider folding hands.

illini43 · #8 07-24-2006, 08:47 PM

I agree with everyone else...

Preflop you have to raise or fold. Calling 1/8th of your stack OOP with one to act isn't great. If you are the BB in this hand and last to act, I like a re-raise; but given your spot I'm folding when it first comes around to me and then after BB min-raises (even though the pot odds are so tempting, you are almost always dominated by at least the BB).