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Old 07-24-2006, 01:15 PM
Makonnen Makonnen is offline
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Default Makonnen\'s Muck Ups (Low Limit O8) #3

Party Poker | Limit Omaha Ring game | Limit: $0.50/$1
10 players
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Pre-flop: (10 players) Makonnen is MP2 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, Makonnen calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7SB, 7 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, MP1 folds, Makonnen calls, MP3 folds, Button calls, SB folds.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5.5BB, 4 players)
<font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, Makonnen calls, Button calls.

River: Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (9.5BB, 4 players)
BB checks, <font color="#cc0000">UTG bets</font>, Makonnen calls, Button folds, BB calls.

Results:
Final pot: 12.5BB
<font color="#ffffff">UTG shows As 6s 6h 4h </font>
<font color="#ffffff">Makonnen doesn't show 9c Ah 2s 6d </font>
<font color="#ffffff">BB doesn't show 2h Kh Js Kc </font>

My thinking, such as it was, is that the flop counterfeits most strong lows. The turn gives me second nut low, and A4 is certainly a possibility, but he could just as easily be betting trip 3's.

Are the turn and river calls stupid or long term EV+?

-Makonnen
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Old 07-24-2006, 01:21 PM
zizazziza zizazziza is offline
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Default Re: Makonnen\'s Muck Ups (Low Limit O8) #3

fold on flop. simple as that, ur just going to end up costing urself the rest of the way down. A4 is still a possibility and when BB is betting both flop and turn and you have a caller in front of you, you are getting 1/4 of this pot @ best.
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Old 07-24-2006, 02:13 PM
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Default Re: Makonnen\'s Muck Ups (Low Limit O8) #3

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Party Poker | Limit Omaha Ring game | Limit: $0.50/$1
10 players
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Pre-flop: (10 players) Makonnen is MP2 with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP1 calls, Makonnen calls, MP3 calls, CO folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB checks.

Flop: 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7SB, 7 players)
SB checks, <font color="#cc0000">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, MP1 folds, Makonnen calls, MP3 folds, Button calls, SB folds.


[/ QUOTE ]

I stopped reading after this.

Fold.
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Old 07-24-2006, 03:05 PM
Makonnen Makonnen is offline
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Default Re: Makonnen\'s Muck Ups (Low Limit O8) #3

OK, so its clear I don't fold on the flop enough. My W$WSF is around 30% and Went to SD is about 40%, and I fold on the flop about 25% of the time I see it.

In terms of my thought process, I am trying hard to refocus only on flops where I have scoop outs, but in terms of numbers, any guidance on how the above looks?

-Makonnen
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Old 07-24-2006, 03:09 PM
Pnigro Pnigro is offline
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Default Re: Makonnen\'s Muck Ups (Low Limit O8) #3

Hey Makonnen I got a mission for you, go to http://www.o8poker.com/ and read it, GREAT advice.
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Old 07-24-2006, 03:20 PM
Makonnen Makonnen is offline
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Default Re: Makonnen\'s Muck Ups (Low Limit O8) #3

Yeah, I am. It reminds me of when I was learning NLHE and SNG's--reading the advice is the first step, integrating it into the game is the second or third or eighth or whatever.

-Makonnen
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Old 07-24-2006, 06:05 PM
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Default Re: Makonnen\'s Muck Ups (Low Limit O8) #3

If you are not going to fold the flop,
you need to raise it. Being a calling
station with marginal hands will get
you nowhere.
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