Getting scAyred

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The Betonsports.com execs have also been charged with tax evasion, which is a crime in both Britain and the US and thus is an extraditable offense.

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Hmm.. Why did they owe the U.S. gov't taxes? I thought we were talking about poker sites in other countries?

I also thought we were talking about online poker, not tax evasion.. But I digress,

[DING-DONG YO]

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The Betonsports.com execs have also been charged with tax evasion, which is a crime in both Britain and the US and thus is an extraditable offense.

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Hmm.. Why did they owe the U.S. gov't taxes? I thought we were talking about poker sites in other countries?

I also thought we were talking about online poker, not tax evasion.. But I digress,

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Technically, a foreign company that does business in the US (and these sites do business in the US even if they are based offshore. Transacting with US citizens would be considered as doing business in the US) would be subject to the same tax laws that a domestic US company would (for the foreign company's US operations, the US couldn't tax them on revenue from UK players, of course).

Now, whether or not these companies choose to follow those tax laws is another story. Lawman's article did say something about these business trying to pay taxes but the US did not allow which isn't surprising. If the US accepted tax revenue from them, then it could be considered that by accepting the tax revenue, the US was condoning their operations.

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Some British internet betting companies have previously offered to pay American taxes through a high-profile media campaign, but the US Government has been unwilling to condone lawbreaking. Mr Knowles believes that proof of such an offer might be enough to persuade an English court to refuse extradition. “It would certainly give rise to an abuse-of-process argument,” he said.

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So, the tax evasion thing is a real issue. I was trying to say extradition is unlikely and sticky from a legal standpoint, which it is.

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Its no mystery that People like Lee Jones and Calvin Ayre would have been arrested if they ever stepped foot on US soil for some time now because of the wire act.

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On a side note, I understand why Ayre would be arrested, but Lee? FWIW, I have personally seen Lee in the US in the past year.

[LinusKS]

I hope Lee keeps a low profile when he's here.

I don't know much (ok, anything) about extradition, but I've always assumed the folks who run the sites were relatively safe, as long as they stayed abroad.

And I guess it makes sense that, if the US was really ready to start extradicting folks, they wouldn't be waiting to nab them off of planes.

Anway, nobody's been extradicted, yet.

[Ignignokt]

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I hope Lee keeps a low profile when he's here.

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This whole idea is just silly on the very face of it, and I can't believe people who are smart enough to win at poker would even consider it.

There is a huge chasm between arresting a bookmaker who has committed crimes that existed and have been successfully prosecuted long before the Internet caught on, and arresting a mid-level employee whose entire realm consists of something that may or may not be a crime, because it's never been heard in a court of law.

IF the US Government decides to make a test case to see if a court agrees with their interpretation of the Wire Act, I can tell you right now that the test case will involve someone a whole lot more prosecutable than Lee frickin' Jones.

[Lawman007]

If I recall correctly, somebody recently posted that Lee Jones has moved overseas. Gee, I wonder why? LOL

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I hope Lee keeps a low profile when he's here.

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If I recall correctly, somebody recently posted that Lee Jones has moved overseas. Gee, I wonder why? LOL

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Again, for what it's worth, when I saw him last summer in Las Vegas, he definitely wasn't keeping a low-profile. He was schilling for Stars and signing books, etc.

I find it very hard to believe he'd be a target of the feds. If they're really looking for any and all PS employees and business associates, I suspect they can find the Stars Suite at the Rio easy enough.

[Ignignokt]

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If I recall correctly, somebody recently posted that Lee Jones has moved overseas. Gee, I wonder why? LOL

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Umm, because that's where his work is...?

Really, Lawman, you need to think things through once in a while.

[LinusKS]

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I hope Lee keeps a low profile when he's here.

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If I recall correctly, somebody recently posted that Lee Jones has moved overseas. Gee, I wonder why? LOL

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Again, for what it's worth, when I saw him last summer in Las Vegas, he definitely wasn't keeping a low-profile. He was schilling for Stars and signing books, etc.

I find it very hard to believe he'd be a target of the feds. If they're really looking for any and all PS employees and business associates, I suspect they can find the Stars Suite at the Rio easy enough.

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I don't think he is either. That said, were I part of upper management of an internet casino, I'd want to be sure to spend some quality time with my lawyers.

What is this Star suite at the Rio you speak of?

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If I recall correctly, somebody recently posted that Lee Jones has moved overseas. Gee, I wonder why? LOL

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if the feds were looking to make an example of poker rooms w/ domestic operations, they would go after Full Tilt which is owned and operated by some very public people who live in the US.

Pokerstars has many US based employees as well.

as does True Poker [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]