a place to lay down AK preflop?

[Nevanotag]

in the party 109$ 2k added...
***** Hand History for Game 4795867528 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny:26426105 Level:2 Blinds(30/60) - Monday, July 24, 00:26:39 ET 2006
Table 2k Added(772962) Table #7 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: DrunkPPlaya ( 2836 )
Seat 2: dolllabilz ( 2430 )
Seat 3: kimo99 ( 810 )
Seat 4: mikem1181 ( 6358 )
Seat 5: expressman ( 4410 )
Seat 7: DontStop ( 4775 )
Seat 8: eyesee ( 3375 )
Seat 9: BDHornet1424 ( 2730 )
Seat 10: Nevanotag ( 5096 )
Trny:26426105 Level:2
Blinds(30/60)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Nevanotag [ Ks Ah ]
kimo99 folds.
mikem1181 calls [60].
expressman calls [60].
DontStop folds.
eyesee folds.
BDHornet1424 folds.
Nevanotag raises [245].
DrunkPPlaya folds.
dolllabilz folds.
mikem1181 is all-In [6298]
expressman folds.

Hero??? I dont have any real reads here havent been at the table that long but this is a 109$ tourney so the level of the average player is pretty high. At first i was thinking it was a classic limp-raise with AA. But then i was button and he may have thought i was making a button/squeeze play with 2 limpers in. Thanks for input.

[sccrneo]

Im calling here, your only in trouble if he has AA or KK which is very unlikely given the massive overbet. Your more likely coin flipping with a lower PP or dominated his Ax, Kx, etc.

[sillyarms]

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Im calling here, your only in trouble if he has AA or KK which is very unlikely given the massive overbet. Your more likely coin flipping with a lower PP or dominated his Ax, Kx, etc.


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You think he's making this massive overbet with a hand like AQ or KQ? JJ mabye but that's the lower end of his range

[sccrneo]

To me, the massive overbet widens villain's range since he obviously doesnt want action.

[sillyarms]

so you think villan is risking like 4500 chips to bluff at 500 chips? This doesen't look at all like the classic limp in ep with AA and then reraise?

[sccrneo]

but why would villain raise so much with a monster, wouldnt he want to bet smaller so he will get a caller and get value out of his hand.

ok...i didnt realize this was a limp/reraise but i still dont think its going to be aa/kk nearly as much as something else that doesnt want action.

[Nevanotag]

Personally i think this is a situation that kind of depends upon the level that your playing. If its a 6$ buy in i think players are doing this with way too broad a range and i have way to much value to lay this down. However at the 109$ level like this was i think his hand range is fairly narrow.There is a however a descent chance that he thinks im making a steal and moving in with 88-JJ. However in the actual hand that this took place the following happened...
***** Hand History for Game 4795867528 *****
NL Texas Hold'em Trny:26426105 Level:2 Blinds(30/60) - Monday, July 24, 00:26:39 ET 2006
Table 2k Added(772962) Table #7 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: DrunkPPlaya ( 2836 )
Seat 2: dolllabilz ( 2430 )
Seat 3: kimo99 ( 810 )
Seat 4: mikem1181 ( 6358 )
Seat 5: expressman ( 4410 )
Seat 7: DontStop ( 4775 )
Seat 8: eyesee ( 3375 )
Seat 9: BDHornet1424 ( 2730 )
Seat 10: Nevanotag ( 5096 )
Trny:26426105 Level:2
Blinds(30/60)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Nevanotag [ Ks Ah ]
kimo99 folds.
mikem1181 calls [60].
expressman calls [60].
DontStop folds.
eyesee folds.
BDHornet1424 folds.
Nevanotag raises [245].
DrunkPPlaya folds.
dolllabilz folds.
mikem1181 is all-In [6298]
expressman folds.
Your time bank will be activated in 5 secs. If you do not want it to be used, please act now.
Nevanotag is all-In [4851]
** Dealing Flop ** [ Kc, 2c, Kh ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 9c ]
Nevanotag shows [ Ks, Ah ] three of a kind, kings.
mikem1181 shows [ Ad, As ] two pairs, aces and kings.
mikem1181 wins 1262 chips from side pot #1 with two pairs, aces and kings.
Nevanotag wins 10342 chips from the main pot

....And im a HUGE luckbox, but my initial thought of AA limp-raise was correct but then i talked myself into thinking it was something different.

[PhatPots]

I would fold this. Here is my thinking

The villain maybe a donk. I have been limp re-raised with junk and limp re-raised with a premium hand. You have no reads. This is a massive overbet, and villain might have KK or AA and pray that you call with something like JJ or QQ. I would fold this hand and see if the villain does this again. You have a good stack of chips, don't risk it on a coin toss, lets get it in when we have an overpair to an underpair.

If this where I $10 tournament and I had slightly less than average, I would probably call it. But given your stack size and the fact that it is a $100, I might wait for another opp.

[dfbuzzbeater]

This is going to be a stupid and inconsequential point. That said, I call here every time. It doesn't happen that often, but I was looking through my stats, on party, EVERY TIME the guy had aces (total of 3 times). On stars, the guy NEVER had aces (total of 2 times - he had AK once and KQ once).

[JCool]

Put me in the fold camp. I hate huge call offs like this with AK. I can't think of hardly anything that I hugely favor and villian will have Aces or kings a good portion of the time.