2 more quick hands

[Caddy_4_Life]

Hand 1:
SB is 52/3/0.5/30WTSD. Very loose/passive.

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Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (3 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP folds, SB calls.

Turn: (3.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

River: (5.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB

Who bet/folds river instead?

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Hand 2:
Neither player is crazy.
BB Taggy
MP Loose/passive.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero folds, MP..

Who calls? Who folds? How many outs do you give Hero? I was leaned towards fold here for the following reasons:
1) the board pairing.
2) BB's sudden aggression at the paired 4.
3) The [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] draw available which may discount our 8 outs to 7 or 6.
4) Not closing the action.
5) Implied odds must be lower than normal given the above.

-Caddy

[Ainex]

I like hand #1 I don't really see value in betting against this villain's low WTSD.

Hand #2 I play the same. BB may have a 4 but I seriously doubt he's got a boat and if he doesn't have a 4 he must have at least a K so your pair outs are obviously no good. I kind of doubt MP is betting a flush draw on the turn since you pegged him as LP so he's more likely to have a king or a good ten. Since I doubt either player has a flush draw here I don't see why you should be afraid of hitting your straight. Given that though your immediate pot odds aren't good and in situations like these I don't like to count on implied for much. So I suppose I still like a fold but the decision must be close.

[cwar]

Hand 1 really interesting I think a slowplay from 76 or an 8 is pretty likely and we also have kicker problems, maybe with a ridiculous WTSD this could turn into a value bet but I like the check.

Hand 2 I think you covered it pretty nicely, just fold.

[Gravy]

Looks good.