25/50: River decision

[Ribbo]

I agree, but at 25/50 the field is split exactly two ways. Those who want to win your money and those who want to make you fold. You have to decide which guy it is you're playing against.

[Ribbo]

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I agree, but at 25/50 the field is split exactly two ways. Those who want to win your money and those who want to make you fold. You have to decide which guy it is you're playing against.

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Case in point are hands like this:

PokerStars Game #5629728695: Omaha Pot Limit ($25/$50) - 2006/07/21 - 06:23:52 (ET)
Table 'Sculptor III' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Monster!Gotz ($3892 in chips)
Seat 2: G.COSTANZA ($4141 in chips)
Seat 3: BluffMeNot ($5554.50 in chips)
Seat 4: Redmouse ($7364.20 in chips)
Seat 5: postmand ($7720 in chips)
Seat 6: Jinx1 ($2129 in chips)
Seat 7: crazytiger ($3675 in chips)
Seat 8: acekingqq ($1784 in chips)
Seat 9: chacha21 ($1750 in chips)
Jinx1: posts small blind $25
crazytiger: posts big blind $50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
acekingqq: folds
chacha21: folds
Monster!Gotz: raises $125 to $175
G.COSTANZA: calls $175
BluffMeNot: calls $175
Redmouse: folds
postmand: folds
Jinx1: calls $150
acekingqq is disconnected
crazytiger: folds
*** FLOP *** [Ah Jh 9s]
Jinx1: checks
Monster!Gotz: checks
G.COSTANZA: checks
BluffMeNot: bets $747
Jinx1: calls $747
Monster!Gotz: raises $2970 to $3717 and is all-in
G.COSTANZA: folds
BluffMeNot: folds
Jinx1: calls $1207 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [Ah Jh 9s] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [Ah Jh 9s 4d] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Jinx1: shows [Td 9d Qc Qd] (a pair of Queens)
Monster!Gotz: mucks hand
Jinx1 collected $5402 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $5405 | Rake $3
Board [Ah Jh 9s 4d 7c]
Seat 1: Monster!Gotz mucked
Seat 2: G.COSTANZA folded on the Flop
Seat 3: BluffMeNot folded on the Flop
Seat 4: Redmouse folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: postmand (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Jinx1 (small blind) showed [Td 9d Qc Qd] and won ($5402) with a pair of Queens
Seat 7: crazytiger (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 8: acekingqq folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: chacha21 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[durrrr]

this flop shove is kindv different than a river bluff shove.

[SilverLining1]

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I'm suprised no one is replaying hte initial bet on the river. First, you have to assume you have the best hand, going against an aggro opponent. While JJ is possible, AA is very very unlikely.

Looking at his aggressive nature, I'm thinking why bet into him. If he doesn't hold JJ or AT a lot of aggro opponents will fold to river bets. You showed strength turn and now river. The idea behind LAG play is steal small pots, punish meek opponents, bet scare cards, bet against passive play, but only get involved in big pots with big hands and get paid well with them. Moreover, if you bet will he call with a worse hand. Not too often. Will you get a better hand than yours to fold. Never. Therefore, the best play is a check call.

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Yahoooo...next post.

[christyirish]

Its a tough fold, and to answer your question directly,I don't think its that bad a call. Its a tough spot, and I have to agree that, in hindsight, leading out on the river may have been a mistake. Having said that, I would definitely have done the same thing. Its the kind of situation where it might be braver to fold than to call. Its hard to justify getting stacked in an unraised pot with your sort of hand.