overbet river poooosh bluff

Josh. · #1 07-19-2006, 08:06 PM

villain is solid multitabling tag, 22/16/3.5, 22 wtsd

i make this play a lot when i think my opponent might have a big hand and i have the nuts. i think he often has a big hand here (AQ or better, but almost never AA or KK) and i think i'm clearly representing AA or KK, and i might play these hands the same way since i think he has a pretty strong hand (or busted draw). is the extra 400 worth it?

150 on the turn? my bet is pretty weak now that i look at it

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($1051)
SB ($1771.78)
BB ($1597.64)
UTG ($1188.96)
MP ($995)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $5.
2 folds, Hero raises to $35, SB (poster) calls $30, 1 fold.

Flop: ($80) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $50, SB calls $50.

Turn: ($180) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $115, SB calls $115.

River: ($410) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $851 all-in

WrMattyG · #2 07-19-2006, 08:14 PM

I dont really like this at all, unless a villian has seen you over-bet strong hands like this on the river ..i think a good player will talk himself into calling this suscpicous river bet enough to make it very unprofitable.

If you are trying to take it down woudnt a turn over-bet 1.5x - 2x pot be better?

Josh. · #3 07-19-2006, 08:45 PM

bump one time

ArturiusX · #4 07-19-2006, 08:48 PM

Against this guy, if you want to get him to laydown for a cheaper rate, check through the turn and raise any river.

cts · #5 07-19-2006, 08:54 PM

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Against this guy, if you want to get him to laydown for a cheaper rate, check through the turn and raise any river.

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He's trying to rep AA/KK.

I think I'd like this more if you bet a little bigger on the flop/turn.

Josh. · #6 07-19-2006, 08:54 PM

if i'm the blind, i'm not betting the river unless i have a big hand or am bluffing in that spot. there aren't a ton of worse hands i'm calling with, and he might induce a vlaue bet from a worse hand. he also avoids getting bluffed off the best hand. and why would i ever check the turn with a hand there? there's all kinds of draws

Josh. · #7 07-19-2006, 08:56 PM

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Against this guy, if you want to get him to laydown for a cheaper rate, check through the turn and raise any river.

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He's trying to rep AA/KK.

I think I'd like this more if you bet a little bigger on the flop/turn.

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yeah i agree. my plan on the turn was to get a cheap showdown vs a draw so i bet small hoping to check it down on the river. i wouldn't bet 2/3 pot on the turn on a board like that with a set. i'd definitely bet 150-180.

jkkkk · #8 07-19-2006, 08:57 PM

350 achieves just as much as ai here, pushing is bad.

Josh. · #9 07-19-2006, 08:59 PM

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350 achieves just as much as ai here, pushing is bad.

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do you think he ever folds 22 or AK IF he played his hand this way? because otherwise, i think he folds 100% of his hands just about 100% of the time here. if he played 22 or AK this wya, it's because he fears i have a better hand, right? if that's the case, a huge overbet all in has to be scary

also, i think this is probably better for me than some others because i'm greedy and have a tendency to make ridiculous overbets with the nuts. doign it occasionally as a bluff gives it a randomizing factor. even if no one notices it, it still adds shania value. if someone has a tendency to fold too much to overbets, then throwing in a bluff adds value since i won't always be doing it with the nuts. if someone calls too much, that's ok too because i still have the nuts 90% of the time.

2 from tonight. both against idiots though and second is probably really stupid but i thought he'd call w a T (which i'm pretty sure he folded because he timed the timmer all the way down). and i know i need to basically stop doing this stuff. i thought the bluff was good when i posted it. guess it's not

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Hero ($762.85)
BB ($300)
UTG ($621.10)
MP ($879.65)
Button ($597)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $3.
1 fold, MP calls $6, 1 fold, Hero (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($18) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $9, BB folds, MP calls $9.

Turn: ($36) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $19.63, Hero calls $19.63.

River: ($75.26) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero calls $728.22 (All-In), MP calls $728.22.

Final Pot: $1531.70

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($1081.95)
SB ($763.85)
BB ($604)
UTG ($614.70)
Hero ($591)
CO ($663.20)

Preflop: Hero is MP with 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $3.
1 fold, Hero raises to $21, CO calls $21, 3 folds.

Flop: ($51) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

Turn: ($51) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $30, Hero calls $30.

River: ($111) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero calls $540 (All-In), CO folds.

Final Pot: $651

mikech · #10 07-19-2006, 09:02 PM

i think if he folded he had a busted draw and you had the best hand the whole way. if i were villain, i would never play AQ like this. otoh, i might occasionally play AK like this and let my opponent hang himself.