Allin every time right?

[xGREGORx]

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i poosh preflop all day every day after that PF action.

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[shmoosh]

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Any FE you have vs the button pre-flop is a good thing, not a bad thing.

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Can you elaborate on this? Not saying your wrong but I don't understand why I want button out.

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You don't want the button out, you're big favorite here and you want as much money in the pot as possible. I think the outcome of this hand will likely be the same whether the money goes in preflop or flop. One argument for pushing preflop might be preventing your opponents from escaping after the flop if they miss with AK. Or get scared off when overcards hit vs. JJ or QQ. Given the size of the pot however, they are pretty much committed either way so it probably doesn't make a difference.

[BalugaWhale]

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Button could still fold if we pushed pf at that point. I'm not saying I don't like pushing pf-- I do-- but we want to see if we can get both their stacks.

[poboy]

My main reason for not pushing was fear of losing them, in retrospect there was probably little chance either of them fold. I also figured the rest of the money was going in on the flop almost always, maybe they fold an A high flop some % of the time but that will be rare. I don't think pushing is wrong here at all , and is what I would do by default. I don't really think it matters much though what I do pf. On the flop I believe TT-AA and AK are likely holdings for villians with QQ/KK & AK being the most likely, and a small % of the time some mid pp or other random garbage. Given that read should I consider folding?

[BalugaWhale]

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Given that read should I consider folding?

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No.

[notevenhere]

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Any FE you have vs the button pre-flop is a good thing, not a bad thing.

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This is wrong. It is pf. We have AA. If we pushed pf and 12 people called us, it would be great. If I am pushing this pf, it is only because I think both people will call me (or that both will fold light on the flop).

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This is 100% silliness. I know you are only exaggerating when you say 12 PF callers is good when you have AA. But exaggerations do help us reach the crux of the issue. I can EASILY construct a set of 13 hands in which your AA is a big dog if all 12 opponents call your all-in pre-flop. I can probably construct a set of hands that results in your AA drawing DEAD vs 12 opponents.


More opponents does not always equal good. This notion needs to be dismissed immediately.

Now, in this particular hand, we are debating the merits of 2 opponents vs 1. Personally, I never want more than 2 opponents seeing the flop with my pocket Aces. Sometimes I want it heads up, sometimes I want it vs 2. Three people seeing the flop vs my pocket Aces reduces my winning % to about 64% vs any 3 random hands.

In regards to Hero's hand, I prefer heads up to playing this 3 way. The pot is already big. If I have zero FE vs button, then all-in is the best move, since I want all money in the pot NOW, while my hand is best. If I have some amount of FE, that is great. I can narrow the field, which increases my odds of winning by quite a few percentage points.

Since Hero is going to felt with this 100% of the time, all we are doing when calling, is giving other players the implied odds to hit a set.

What is more important in this hand?

A) An increased % of winning an already big pot?
B) Or juicing an already big pot by decreasing your odds of winning? (And also giving opponents correct implied odds to hit a set)

[BalugaWhale]

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I can probably construct a set of hands that results in your AA drawing DEAD vs 12 opponents.

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LOL, do it.

notevenhere,

You are right in saying that if AA and 12 other hands went to the felt pf, we would be a dog. We would also be a hugely +EV dog. Stop worrying about winning pots and start worrying about winning money.

Also, if we call instead of push here, we are definitely not giving villains odds to hit a set.

[terp]

lol at there being a thread about calling flop once 1/2 our stack is in preflop and people discussing fold equity when we hold the nuts.

[younghov17]

push all in preflop, pot is already almost 20 preflop, yoru concern is winning whats in there and protecting your hand, not trying to extract more. pot is too big to risk being outdrawn by the likely kk/qq/jj yoru up against. they are both likely calling your all in anyway

[6-Max Donk]

I think the big question is, would you have posted this if you won? No, you wouldn't because it's incredibly standard and are just looking at the results.