KK flop push or fold?

nadical · #1 01-18-2006, 06:45 PM

no reads 8 handed
utg+1 raises to 3 folds to me in CO i reraise to 12 SB calls and utg+1 folds
flop: 92q raindow villian checks, I bet 24 he min raises i have ~60 left

mike0292 · #2 01-18-2006, 07:01 PM

Push and dont think twice.

Isura · #3 01-18-2006, 07:05 PM

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Pokey · #4 01-18-2006, 07:07 PM

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4_2_it · #5 01-18-2006, 07:12 PM

Fold if you hate money.

nadical · #6 01-18-2006, 07:15 PM

thx

lorez · #7 01-18-2006, 07:21 PM

Push unless you suspect he's loose enough to call with something like Q9. I'd expect a PF raise if they had Q's

RED FACE · #8 01-18-2006, 07:38 PM

So he'd have to call $36 if you push, right? If you're in the lead he has at best 3 outs, right? I call and get it all in on the turn. I figure some can fold to a 3 bet here for $36 w just tptk.

If this guy is reasonably tight I assume you're behind AA here but I couldn't act on that unless I had a terrific read based on many hands.

Dan Bitel · #9 01-18-2006, 08:34 PM

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Push unless you suspect he's loose enough to call with something like Q9. I'd expect a PF raise if they had Q's

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a lot of ppl don't 3bet OOP with QQ...so QQ is def in villian's range.

Every1 seems so be saying push here...I suppose I do too, but I don't like it. Is villian def calling AQ PF for 12BB (probably not), then getting stacked with TPTK (probably). I find it hard to put villian on hands here we are ahead of (a TERRIBLY played AQ is the only hand I can think of)....I expect to see 99/QQ/AA/22 very often here. Could he maybe be donking here with J10 and JJ as well? Hmmm....maybe I'm talking myself out of the push here! I probably push here cos i suppose I'm getting good odds.

To those who say push (which is every1) what range to you put villian on?

mikechops · #10 01-18-2006, 09:05 PM

I agree. This spot is a lot tougher than most people have recognized. We are very dismisive of donks who can't let go of TPTK. I'm not sure going broke on an overpair is much better.

FWIW this is 8-handed. From my limited 6-max experience, I've found villains to be much more aggressive. However this is a full game and I could find a fold against the right villain.