Venetian $500,000 Freeroll (For poker players or casino high rollers) - Page 2

notevenhere · #11 07-13-2006, 11:05 AM

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When you decide to put up $500,000 for a freeroll then you can make the rules.
If you are a real man and willing to fight for principles then dont play.
Yea, just what I thought.

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But when you announce those rules and induce people to come into your cardroom and play 150 hours there based on your stated rules, you don't get to just change the rules.

Many of the people who have played to qualify sat down before hand and figured out how many people they expected to qualify and the value of the freeroll based on that assumption. Now if they just miscalculated that is there problem, but if the reason they were mistaken about the number of players is because the Venetian is opening the event to other people (and did not state so upfront) then that is deception on the part of the Venetian.

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What makes you think the rules were changed? Every single promotion in history of mankind has a disclaimer akin to the following:

*Terms of promotion subject to change. We reserve the right to change the terms of the promotion as necessary.

binki · #12 07-13-2006, 11:12 AM

it is not a freeroll if one had to log 150 hours.

Evan · #13 07-13-2006, 11:20 AM

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it is not a freeroll if one had to log 150 hours.

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If this is your counter to my post I'll just assume you're joking too.

Guys, it's a PROMOTION! They can do whatever they want. You have no right to tell them how to give away $500k. Jeez, this is absurd.

DayTripping · #14 07-13-2006, 11:21 AM

Jesus Christ... they are offering you a FREEROLL for half a million dollars and you are still finding something to complain about?

Nit alert.

psandman · #15 07-13-2006, 11:21 AM

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I thought this promotion was created to help the room build a solid base of players. What are they saying to these players if they allow the casinos high rollers to come in and have a shot at this money without playing the hours they required the rest of us to play?

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That they want to build a base of players, probably. What a ridiculous post. It's a promotion dude. They're trying to get people interested in the room. Is keeping out a regular in your biggest game because he didn't meet an arbitrary rule a good way to build a player base?

God, I hope this post was a joke.

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There is something to what you say, but on the other hand it opens a can of worms. A guy who has played 149 hours in the room being given credit for the extra hour make a lot of sense. But there still needs to be a line drawn somewhere, and the problem is that the kind of players who if they find out that they can skirt by with less than 150 hours, stop putting in the hours, are the kind of players who aren't going to come back to the room once the freeroll is done anyway. So maybe you want the staff to excercise some judgment about who gets the benefit of being close is enough and who doesn't.

Evan · #16 07-13-2006, 11:24 AM

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I thought this promotion was created to help the room build a solid base of players. What are they saying to these players if they allow the casinos high rollers to come in and have a shot at this money without playing the hours they required the rest of us to play?

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That they want to build a base of players, probably. What a ridiculous post. It's a promotion dude. They're trying to get people interested in the room. Is keeping out a regular in your biggest game because he didn't meet an arbitrary rule a good way to build a player base?

God, I hope this post was a joke.

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There is something to what you say, but on the other hand it opens a can of worms. A guy who has played 149 hours in the room being given credit for the extra hour make a lot of sense. But there still needs to be a line drawn somewhere, and the problem is that the kind of players who if they find out that they can skirt by with less than 150 hours, stop putting in the hours, are the kind of players who aren't going to come back to the room once the freeroll is done anyway. So maybe you want the staff to excercise some judgment about who gets the benefit of being close is enough and who doesn't.

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That's what they're doing.

psandman · #17 07-13-2006, 11:42 AM

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I thought this promotion was created to help the room build a solid base of players. What are they saying to these players if they allow the casinos high rollers to come in and have a shot at this money without playing the hours they required the rest of us to play?

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That they want to build a base of players, probably. What a ridiculous post. It's a promotion dude. They're trying to get people interested in the room. Is keeping out a regular in your biggest game because he didn't meet an arbitrary rule a good way to build a player base?

God, I hope this post was a joke.

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There is something to what you say, but on the other hand it opens a can of worms. A guy who has played 149 hours in the room being given credit for the extra hour make a lot of sense. But there still needs to be a line drawn somewhere, and the problem is that the kind of players who if they find out that they can skirt by with less than 150 hours, stop putting in the hours, are the kind of players who aren't going to come back to the room once the freeroll is done anyway. So maybe you want the staff to excercise some judgment about who gets the benefit of being close is enough and who doesn't.

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That's what they're doing.

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My point is that it isn't just as simple as letting everyone slide and the Original Poster's concerns are legitmate, perhaps in this case its appropriate to let the guy slide, but perhaps it isn't.

Cactus Jack · #18 07-13-2006, 12:03 PM

OP, how much time did you spend away from the table and still got credit for the hour?

(I know you did. Everyone does.)

Evan · #19 07-13-2006, 01:34 PM

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My point is that it isn't just as simple as letting everyone slide and the Original Poster's concerns are legitmate, perhaps in this case its appropriate to let the guy slide, but perhaps it isn't.

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But that's the Venetian's job to figure out, not yours. If they want him in then he should be in. End of story.

JohnnyQuad · #20 07-13-2006, 01:40 PM

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OP, how much time did you spend away from the table and still got credit for the hour?

(I know you did. Everyone does.)

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That sounds like a losing players comment. I spent very little time away from the table when I played there. I am a winning player that does not benefit by being away from the table.

The issue here is that based on the number of people that had made the 50 hours in the first month, I set a value on what that seat would be worth. At that time I expected the field to be somewhere around 300. If you divide the $500k by 300 you have a value of $1666.66. I then divide that number by the 150 hours to figure out how much they are basicly paying me to play there. That figure comes out to $11.11 per hour. So now if at the end they allow there table game players and slot players to come in and take up seats it lowers the value of each seat there by lowering the amount they are paying the qualified players to play.