PP 11 Play this hand with me

loxxii · #1 07-13-2006, 10:31 AM

PartyPoker $11 Speed Tournament, Big Blind is t40 (10 handed) Converter on pregopoker.com

UTG (t2000)
UTG+1 (t2000)
MP1 (t2000)
MP2 (t2000)
Hero (t2000)
CO+1 (t2000)
CO (t2000)
Button (t2000)
SB (t2000)
BB (t2000)

Preflop: Hero is in MP3 with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
UTG calls t40, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls t40, MP2 calls t40, Hero raises to t300, CO+1 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls t260, UTG folds, MP1 folds, MP2 folds

Flop: (t740) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets t1700 (All-in), Hero ?

bobman0330 · #2 07-13-2006, 10:36 AM

This spot sucks, but I would call. I think he's semibluffing or overvaluing a worse made hand often enough to make it OK.

TravestyFund · #3 07-13-2006, 10:50 AM

This raise is bad against unknown 11$ plyrs. Either raise less (~240), limp, or fold if you arent comfortable with youre post flop play.

loxxii · #4 07-13-2006, 10:59 AM

since the 240 raise is pretty close to the bad 300 raise and a limp puts me in basically the same spot, would you say a fold is the best option? I am leaning towards that decision myself from now on.

top2pear · #5 07-13-2006, 11:24 AM

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This raise is bad against unknown 11$ plyrs. Either raise less (~240), limp, or fold if you arent comfortable with youre post flop play.

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Travesty,
Is the size of the preflop raise really what makes this such a tough decision? Would raising to 240 (instead of 300) make a fold/call decision significantly easier? I don't see how, but i'd like to.

I agree that limping makes postflop decision a clear fold. So it seems your preflop prioritization is (1) limp, (2) raise to 240, (3) fold. Does that sound about right, or would you put folding as (2)?

loxxii · #6 07-13-2006, 11:34 AM

on the first hand of an 11 in MP3 with 3 limpers, AQo is an instafold from now on.

FeNeF · #7 07-13-2006, 11:35 AM

I don't mind the preflop raise at all. 240 and 300 aren't exactly worlds apart..

As played this flop is a real easy call IMO.

AggieYank · #8 07-13-2006, 11:38 AM

I'm raising to about 150-200 preflop. When the Q high flop hits, I'm going busto or win every time with AQ.

FeNeF · #9 07-13-2006, 11:43 AM

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I'm raising to about 150-200 preflop.

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200 is too small. 150 is woeful, that's about the size I'd openraise.

loxxii · #10 07-13-2006, 11:49 AM

How do you know if you double up here enough times for this call to be profitable? Where do people get those kind of stats and is this a profitable way to play this hand?

In my experience, I am usually up against 2pair, a set, or a 4 flush here. Sometimes KQ and almost never anything less.

All of these scenarios are too marginal for me on the first hand of an 11, so I fold pf here from now on.