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#1
07-09-2006, 06:23 PM
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BB makes bottom pair no Kicker. peel for one?
villains are donkish. dont remember (50/8 and 50/25 but it doesnt matter that much). do you peel the flop for one?
i clearly peel with bottom pair and a backdoor FD or SD. would you bet the turn if you picked up a flush draw (when the Qh would be a Qc)? Cryptologic Limit Holdem Ring game Limit: $3/$6 5 players Converter Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] UTG folds, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, Hero checks. Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3.5SB, 3 players) Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, Button calls, Hero calls <font color="#aaaaaa">(5.5:1)</font>. Turn: K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3.25BB, 3 players) Hero checks, CO checks, Button checks. River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3.25BB, 3 players) Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, Button folds, Hero folds. Uncalled bets: 1BB returned to CO. Results: Final pot: 3.25BB or what about this: 5 players Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] UTG folds, CO calls, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises</font>, SB folds, Hero calls, CO calls. Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6.5SB, 3 players) Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">CO bets</font>, Button calls, Hero calls. 
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#2
07-09-2006, 06:27 PM
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Re: BB makes bottom pair no Kicker. peel for one?
Bet the flop or check/fold it. Checking/calling sucks.
-Caddy
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#3
07-09-2006, 08:47 PM
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Re: BB makes bottom pair no Kicker. peel for one?
First hand I probalby just check fold. You arent getting anywhere near odds to peel for a 5 outer. Even adding an out for BD draw, you still dont have odds. The pot is just too small.
Second hand is closer, with a backdoor draw its an easy call, and with it its still probably an ok call.
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#4
07-09-2006, 08:51 PM
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Re: BB makes bottom pair no Kicker. peel for one?
[ QUOTE ]
First hand I probalby just check fold. You arent getting anywhere near odds to peel for a 5 outer. Even adding an out for BD draw, you still dont have odds. The pot is just too small. Second hand is closer, with a backdoor draw its an easy call, and with it its still probably an ok call. [/ QUOTE ] what backdoor draw? I think both hands are a check/fold, hand 2 is closer to a call, but the raise preflop means his range that beats yours with improvement is higher, he also has quite a big redraw when you hit just 2 pair. True
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#5
07-09-2006, 10:23 PM
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Re: BB makes bottom pair no Kicker. peel for one?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] First hand I probalby just check fold. You arent getting anywhere near odds to peel for a 5 outer. Even adding an out for BD draw, you still dont have odds. The pot is just too small. Second hand is closer, with a backdoor draw its an easy call, and with it its still probably an ok call. [/ QUOTE ] what backdoor draw? [/ QUOTE ] OP mentioned he would call if he also had a backdoor draw
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#6
07-09-2006, 10:30 PM
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Re: BB makes bottom pair no Kicker. peel for one?
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] First hand I probalby just check fold. You arent getting anywhere near odds to peel for a 5 outer. Even adding an out for BD draw, you still dont have odds. The pot is just too small. Second hand is closer, with a backdoor draw its an easy call, and with it its still probably an ok call. [/ QUOTE ] what backdoor draw? [/ QUOTE ] OP mentioned he would call if he also had a backdoor draw [/ QUOTE ] I think he is spot on then, True
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