Baseball Scoring Rules

[Baxter]

If a batter puts the ball in play and an error occurs, but also a run scores, does the batter get an RBI? I know that if a batter walks with the bases loaded he gets an RBI.

Can someone explain this? In one case you actually "bat" someone in, but don't get an RBI, IIRC, but in the other case you don't hit the ball and get credit for an RBI.


On a different note, it's common practice to hit behind a runner to advance him to third. Why doesn't the batter get credit for a sacrifice in this situation? Also, why is it that if a batter hits a fly ball to deep right and a runner on second tags up and goes to third he doesn't get credit for a sac fly (IIRC), but if the runner is on third and tags up and scores, the batter does get credit for a sac fly.

Just trying to see what the rationale behind these scoring rules is.

[Triumph36]

Before the Baseball Prospectus crowd get here with their 'LOL, there is no logic' -

A sacrifice fly shouldn't be credited when a runner advances from 2nd to 3rd because that was not likely the batter's intent, whereas when he advances from 3rd to home, it probably was. There is no sacrifice. As for hitting behind the runner, it's difficult to judge the intent as well - this is also a somewhat rare occurence.

A batter gets an RBI if the run does not score as a result of the error. I believe there are exceptions but for the most part that's true.

[RR]

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If a batter puts the ball in play and an error occurs, but also a run scores, does the batter get an RBI?

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If the run would ahve scored without the error it is an RBI, if the scorer feels the run would not have scored without the benefit of the error there is no RBI.

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On a different note, it's common practice to hit behind a runner to advance him to third. Why doesn't the batter get credit for a sacrifice in this situation? Also, why is it that if a batter hits a fly ball to deep right and a runner on second tags up and goes to third he doesn't get credit for a sac fly (IIRC), but if the runner is on third and tags up and scores, the batter does get credit for a sac fly.

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There was a time (maybe in the 1800s?) that they got credit for a sac fly for this, but it was redefined to mean a fly ball that scores a runner. When someone hits behind the runner they are still trying to get a hit.

[Pudge714]

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'LOL, there is no logic'


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[battschr]

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A sacrifice fly shouldn't be credited when a runner advances from 2nd to 3rd because that was not likely the batter's intent, whereas when he advances from 3rd to home, it probably was.

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The batter is a moron.

[MicroBob]

example:

runner on 3rd, 1 out, infield is playing back because the score is 12-1 and nobody cares.

Batter hits a ground-ball, runner leaves on contact, SS fields it and is ready to throw to first but the ball slips out of hand.

Batter is safe via an E6 but is not credited for a hit. and the official-scorer decides that the run was going to score regardless. So he gets credit for an RBI even though he doesn't get a base-hit.


Another example: runner on 2nd with 1 out. batter hits a routine single to LF.
Runner stops at 3rd.
Ball goes under 3rd baseman's glove. runner sees this and races hom with the run.
Runner scored on the E7.
Batter gets a base-hit but does not get credit for an RBI.

[youtalkfunny]

Unrelated to OP's questions, but not worthy of its own thread, so it goes here:

I saw this for the first time this week: Runner on first, one out. Batter hits into a 6-5-3 inning-ending double play. What happened?

In white: <font color="white">The "Big Papi Shift" happened. The thirdbaseman was so far over to the right, he was closest to the bag at second to turn the DP. </font>

[Jack of Arcades]

I saw a 5-6-3 dp which was weird, the shortstop covered on the third-basemen's throw to 2nd. It was a Braves game with Castilla throwing to Furcal. I don't remember why it happened, though.