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#21
06-30-2006, 07:10 AM
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Re: 22 vs TAG LP raiser
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[ QUOTE ] On the Flop, most of the time he will fold to your Continuation bet, since he is Tight. [/ QUOTE ] Strongly disagree. [/ QUOTE ] this is very player specific and completely makes the difference between 3betting and folding preflop. seriously guys, i steal from my button a LOT, and i've never stacked off when behind to anyone. usually they smoothcall my raise with a big hand like aces and then stack off to me when i flop top 2. yeah, they get my cbet at times, but usually i'm getting their 4BB call. 
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#23
06-30-2006, 07:26 AM
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Re: 22 vs TAG LP raiser
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CAterp, surely it therefore makes sence to 3bet 22+ vs you preflop? [/ QUOTE ] surely it does. and if you started doing it i would adjust, but in my experience, most people bend over and take it up the ass when you steal their blinds, whether preflop or postflop.
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#24
06-30-2006, 12:02 PM
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Re: 22 vs TAG LP raiser
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fly, you really don't think 3betting is +EV? [/ QUOTE ] As a standard play in this situation? No (for most players). Edit ---- A little personal experience. I play a ~20/10 6max game and make big bucks off of people who 3-bet me to light out of the blinds. This is not to say that I would not be abused if a very good player was doing the 3-betting but still...
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#25
06-30-2006, 12:08 PM
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Re: 22 vs TAG LP raiser
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[ QUOTE ] CAterp, surely it therefore makes sence to 3bet 22+ vs you preflop? [/ QUOTE ] surely it does. and if you started doing it i would adjust, but in my experience, most people bend over and take it up the ass when you steal their blinds, whether preflop or postflop. [/ QUOTE ] how would you adjust? I don't mean just you, but any decent TAG? Would you steal less, or float more? Maybe 4bet light? B/c I think that any of those options are surely better for me in the blinds than you stealing my blinds the whole time
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06-30-2006, 12:10 PM
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Re: 22 vs TAG LP raiser
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] CAterp, surely it therefore makes sence to 3bet 22+ vs you preflop? [/ QUOTE ] surely it does. and if you started doing it i would adjust, but in my experience, most people bend over and take it up the ass when you steal their blinds, whether preflop or postflop. [/ QUOTE ] how would you adjust? I don't mean just you, but any decent TAG? Would you steal less, or float more? Maybe 4bet light? B/c I think that any of those options are surely better for me in the blinds than you stealing my blinds the whole time [/ QUOTE ] I thought we agreed that blinds don't matter?
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#27
06-30-2006, 02:57 PM
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Re: 22 vs TAG LP raiser
Well, I tried it ...
No Limit Hold'em Ring Game (6 max) , 5 players Blinds : $1/$2 Stacks: UTG : $82 CO : $816.88 Button : $389.50 Hero : $303.60 BB : $164.45 Pre-flop: (5 players) Hero is SB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 2 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Button raises to $8</font>, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $27</font>, BB folds, Button calls ($19). Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($56, 2 players) <font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $44</font>, Button calls. Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($144, 2 players) Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">Button bets $95</font>, Hero folds. Results: (final pot $239) Button wins $237 ... it didn't work. Button was the perfect guy to do this on - a 24/16 TAG with a huge open range and folded a lot to cbets postflop.
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#28
06-30-2006, 03:06 PM
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Re: 22 vs TAG LP raiser
BTW 22 is almost the perfect reraise bluff hand. The reason is you should be reraise-bluffing with your best hands that are too weak to call with.
(the old "Shania" article uses a bad example of reraise bluffing with 23o or something like that - really you should reraise with the very best of the hands that you would fold if you never bluffed). (also this is "best" not in the hot-and-cold sense but in terms of being able to run all in, but rather "best" in the likelihood of outflopping AA).
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#29
06-30-2006, 03:13 PM
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Re: 22 vs TAG LP raiser
I think reraising is better than calling.
However, calling is +EV. When you flop a set, there is still a pretty good chance you're going to get paid. When the board looks to have missed everyone, I probably am going to reverse float and take down a nice pot.
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#30
06-30-2006, 03:40 PM
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Re: 22 vs TAG LP raiser
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[ QUOTE ] fly, you really don't think 3betting is +EV? [/ QUOTE ] As a standard play in this situation? No (for most players). Edit ---- A little personal experience. I play a ~20/10 6max game and make big bucks off of people who 3-bet me to light out of the blinds. This is not to say that I would not be abused if a very good player was doing the 3-betting but still... [/ QUOTE ] Does this really happen to you often enough to make big bucks? Seems that the number of players in small stakes that three bet with anything other than AA/KK is rather small. Villains that are 3 betting light out of the blinds is even more rare, IMO. You must have great table selection [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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