5/10 middle pair, is turn raise here a good idea

[jbeckern6]

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed)
villain is 40/4/.5
Preflop: Hero is MP3 with Q[ [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]], J[ [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
UTG calls, [i]2 folds, MP2 calls, Hero calls, 3 folds, BB checks.

Flop: (4.40 SB) K[ [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]], 5[ [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]], 7[ [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]](4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

Turn: (2.20 BB) Q[ [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]](4 players)
BB bets, UTG folds, MP2 folds, Hero raises, BB 3-bets, Hero folds.
Checked around on flop on unraised pot, villain's bet could mean almost anything with his 40% vp$ip so I thought a raise could take the pot here. I think the fold to the 3 bet is easy but is the turn raise on my part a reasonable play, or is this just a pot not worth fighting for.

Final Pot: 7.20 BB

[Nick C]

A couple of things to keep in mind:

(1) BB got a freeplay so we can't rule out any hand for him.

(2) His turn lead does show a fair amount of strength, since he's betting into three people on a card that could have easily hit one of the limpers. (Also, it's possible he whiffed on a flop checkraise.)

That said, you are getting an immediate 3:1 and also an effective 4:2 (if Villain bets again on the river) on a calldown. And BB could just have a worse queen or even a lower pair that he boldly bet into the field, hoping the queen missed everyone too.

In any case, what I'm suggesting here is that you don't really have to "fight" for this small pot. You can just call down instead (and bet the river if checked to).

I don't really mind the raise, but I would probably call instead. And if you're raising, a big part of the reason you're doing it is for value.

In any event, it looks like Villain whiffed on a flop checkraise or made queens up on the turn this time.

[Chipspin]

I prefer a PF raise in that spot. Buy the button and take the lead.

But in your spot, I'd probably raise the turn (because of the draws) with the intention of checking the river and folding to a 3-bet. So, you played it find IMO.

[jbeckern6]

after getting to watch the villain play a bit more later on, I think he checked a K, (not intending to c/r but to slow play), because in later hands, whenever he made a move, it was on the turn

[Warren Harding]

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or is this just a pot not worth fighting for.

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It's 3 BB in the pot and its heads up. If you want to play this hand call down, betting hte river if he checks.

As played, easy fold to three bet.

[James.]

you need to think about the situation. the pot is tiny, you may or may not have the best hand, if you are NOT behind there is only one overcard to beat your pair. BB bet into several people. this is either a missed c/r from the flop, a total bluff, or maybe a weak king that decided to get frisky. the only thing we are beating is the bluff, and it will fold to the raise right? there is a flush draw on the board, but i find it hard to believe he semibluffed a flush draw into so many people. so think about that raise. what does it accomplish? is it for value? i think if you want to put in two bets HU, call the turn and call the river; get to showdown. so no, IMO the turn raise is not a good idea.

edit to change to to two.

[Webster]

not a playable hand pre flop

not a playable hand on the flop but it worked out.

I would have folded on his reraise also.

[Haupt_234]

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It's 3 BB in the pot and its heads up. If you want to play this hand call down, betting hte river if he checks.


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I agree. This sounds like the best play.

Haupt_234