J9o, BB defense

[DavidC]

PFR is something like 15/10 or 20/10. He's aggressive post-flop. When he called the flop in position I had a really bad feeling. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

The SB in this hand is a guy who's really bad. He'll donkbet the river with 33 and call a raise with it, unimproved, etc. He's playing over 70% of hands and I don't think he's raised once (but he makes up for it post-flop).

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Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (6 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, CO calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, SB calls, Hero calls.

River: (16.50 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, Hero folds, CO calls.

Final Pot: 18.50 BB

[Curtrosity]

Fold pre flop, fold flop, fold turn.

[milesdyson]

definite fold preflop.

[Xhad]

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Fold pre flop, fold flop, fold turn.

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Folding pf, fine. Folding flop and turn with OESD...huh?

EDIT: And about folding pf, I'm not completely sure about that either; JTo doesn't seem like a fold in this situation, and I don't see that J9 is that much worse. All of this assuming CO might be on a steal, if he needs a real hand to raise even in this position then that's different.

[bweiser8311962]

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Fold pre flop, fold flop, fold turn.

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wow. talk about weak tight. no way i'm folding preflop for one bet. then on the flop, you've got an o/e straight draw.

on the turn, i check call. no way i'm 3-betting with only 1 card to come.

[Curtrosity]

[img]/images/graemlins/blush.gif[/img] Wasn't paying attention, looked like a gutshot.

[Hobbs.]

looks standard to me.

[caz]

Fold pf, sb is doing the defending for you. fold the turn when you have to call two cold knowing it will be capped.

[Hobbs.]

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Fold pf, sb is doing the defending for you. fold the turn when you have to call two cold knowing it will be capped.

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sb is a fish so his calling makes calling preflop MORE appealing for us. No need for a lengthy preflop discussion, but if you play well postflop this call has a positive expectation.

As for the turn when the action is 2 more bets to us, we are getting 10.5:2 on our immediate call and even if we know it is getting capped behind us our odds are 13.5:3 which comes out to 4.5:1 which is exactly what we need for an 8 out draw. Furthermore, these people clearly like there hands so the times we river our straight multiple bets are going in making our turn calls obviously EV+.

[MrWookie]

I call preflop, and I'm definitely calling the flop. I'm folding the turn when it's two bets to me. Our diamond outs are dirty, and we're only getting 5:1. Wait a minute. Scratch that. Given the action, I think our diamond outs are crystal clean. nh.