The Vegetarian Torture

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Phoenix,

Maybe you missed the posts about the cats and the bunnies?

stabn

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Fantastic thread.

Elaine chooses some loaded words and odd ways to make her points. Sorta weird screwy logic.

Regarding the OP, I think "just shut up and eat" would benefit you, as based on your inability to describe what you were served I'm guessing you're just not that familiar with different types of foods. Branching out is good.

LOL owns.

Stabn found a way to make the bunny/pancake picture relevant to a thread and that's awesome.

Evan/el ish/Diablo crack me the [censored] up.

I accidentally cooked like three mostly veggie meals last week. They were good.

[Milo]

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the polite thing to do is to not act like a little kid and eat the food like a normal person. It's not going to make you vomit, just be an adult and try something new, it's [censored] vegetables not cow dick

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Okay, I've read only 40 or so of the 400+ responses to this thread, and while this answer seems, on the face of it, correct, I must point out that cows are female and generally do not have dicks. If some other genius has pointed this out (which seems likely) please disregard.

[Smelly]

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vegetarianism is not philosophically compatible with Judaism.

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Google:

the Talmud (Pesachim 109a states that since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem, Jews are not required to eat meat in order to rejoice on festivals)

Rabbi Abraham Isaac Hakohen Kook, the first chief rabbi of modern Israel, considered vegetarianism to be the ideal, the ultimate peace between mankind and the rest of the animal kingdom. He felt that in the Messianic Age, as prophesied by Isaiah (XI:7), we would all be vegetarian again and the only sacrifices offered would be the mincha sacrifice, which was of vegetable origin.

In the ideal state of Gan Eden (the Garden of Eden), mankind is described as being vegetarian, and this state persisted until after the Flood in the time of Noach. In Bereishit, perek aleph, pasuk kaf"tet (Genesis I:29), God told Adam and Chava (Eve) that He had given them all of the seed-bearing plants and fruits as food. The Gemara (Sanhedrin 59b) declares, "Rav Yehuda said in the name of Rav, 'Adam was not allowed to eat meat,'" citing the above pasuk (verse) from Bereishit. Almost all of the subsequent commentators agree with this assessment.

[goofball]

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I'm not trying to give you a hard time. I have no problems with people who choose not to eat meet and I'm sure you'll be a great parent, but I'm not sure that raising a child as a vegetarian doesn't have risks associated with it no matter how knowledgeable the parents are.

Kids don't always eat everything their parents tell them to. If a kid is eating a diet with redundant sources of a given nutrient, then if he or she doesn't eat enough of one food, it's not that big of a deal. If a kid is eating a diet where some food items are the only sources for essential nutrients, then it stands to reason that there would be a greater chance that the kid would choose not to eat something important.

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I understand your point, but do you give this speech to everyone? Do you honestly think my vegetarian kid is in as much danger as the kid whose parents take him to McDonalds?

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Awful awful response. There are plenty of alternatives between a diet with too much fast food for kids and an all vegetarian diet. Vegetarian may be preferred to McDonalds but that doesn't mean that anything in the middle isn't preferred to both.

Also, whether some parents feed their kids McDonalds has no relevance on whether it's harmful to feed them an all vegetarian diet. If some parents never provide any sort of discipline for their kid that obviously doesn't justify others using beatings as their form of discipline right?

[Phoenix1010]

Well all the serious parts of the thread were useless, but it did lead to this post:

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stabn, I'm not going to tell you that no one "owns" a pancake. It's just not true. That rabbit clearly owns THAT pancake, you can see it in his eyes. But to say that ANY rabbit would "own" ANY pancake on it's head is not only inaccurate, but irresponsible.

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so I suppose the thread was worthwhile.

[ElaineMonster]

There is no question that a lacto-ovo vegetarian diet is acceptable for kids. There is some debate about whether a vegan diet is acceptable, but the science leans in favor of the vegans.

Lots of info available here.

[chesspain]

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FWIW Elaine and her sister became vegetarians in early childhood, and they are both healthy, fit and attractive women.

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elaine is at least 15 lbs overweight and her husband is 40-50.

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And this is despite Ed's seemingly daily jogs through the casinos?

[Hobbs.]

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To all vegetarians who are primarily vegetarians because of the way animals are treated,

"Would you rather eat fruits and vegetables that involved cruelty to humans basically working in bonded servitude or eat some meat that involved some poor conditions for animals but good conditions for all human workers involved?"


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Diablo,
Unrealistic hypotheticals are not worth asking seriously. They are only useful to start long, strange and funny threads.

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The above doesn't seem that unrealistic to me.

[Milo]

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you do realize that thousands upon thousands of animals are killed each year harvesting vegetables/grains right??

better stop eating corn, wheat etc

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I choose to limit my animal consumption by not eating meat. Overall, I consume less, make less impact on the earth and cause less death than a meat-eater, plain and simple.

You can continue to argue along the lines that I'm inconsistent because I don't abstain from participating in ALL animal death, torture, abuse. You can start going on now about my Queer Eye wool rug or about my car's tires or the pesticides used to produce my vegetables...

But the simple fact is my vegetarian lifestyle reduces the overall death and misery on this planet.

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Stop being reasonable Elaine, this is the internet.