Tourny situation

[KookieMonstr]

What would you do? Late in a PLO tourny, want advice if I played it right

PokerStars Game #5373869947: Tournament #26990230, $20+$2 Omaha Pot Limit -
Level VI (100/200) - 2006/06/26 - 17:36:01 (ET)
Table '26990230 15' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 2: Lyonzy (9600 in chips)
Seat 3: KookieMonstr (8560 in chips)
Seat 4: SmartyGL (1880 in chips)
Seat 5: sagopackers (7915 in chips)
Seat 6: 315drj (5040 in chips)
Seat 7: Tegdag (890 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 8: Bempa (6315 in chips)
Seat 9: Tomte123 (9080 in chips)
sagopackers: posts small blind 100
315drj: posts big blind 200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to KookieMonstr [8h 7h Jc 6c]
Tegdag: folds
Bempa: calls 200
Tomte123: calls 200
Lyonzy: folds
KookieMonstr: calls 200
SmartyGL: folds
sagopackers: calls 100
315drj: raises 1000 to 1200
Bempa: folds
Tomte123: folds

Should I call, raise or fold? I like my hand against AA, and I think I
definately have odds to see the flop, especially if the SB also calls. I decide
to call with about 15% of my stack before the flop.

KookieMonstr: calls 1000
sagopackers: raises 4000 to 5200
KookieMonstr said, "lol"
315drj said, "ace ace ?"
315drj: folds

Now what? I have really gotten into a trap here. But I think my hand is still
quite live. If I am up against exactly AA, which is what he probably has, I
think I have pot odds to call. So do you fold, call or raise here? I decided
to move all-in.

KookieMonstr: raises 3360 to 8560 and is all-in
sagopackers: calls 2715 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [7s 8d Jh]
315drj said, "king 's"
Tegdag has returned
*** TURN *** [7s 8d Jh] [Qd]
*** RIVER *** [7s 8d Jh Qd] [Td]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sagopackers: shows [9h Ac 5s As] (a pair of Aces)
KookieMonstr: shows [8h 7h Jc 6c] (two pair, Jacks and Eights)
KookieMonstr collected 17430 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 17430 | Rake 0
Board [7s 8d Jh Qd Td]
Seat 2: Lyonzy folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: KookieMonstr showed [8h 7h Jc 6c] and won (17430) with two pair, Jacks
and Eights
Seat 4: SmartyGL (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: sagopackers (small blind) showed [9h Ac 5s As] and lost with a pair of
Aces
Seat 6: 315drj (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: Tegdag folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Bempa folded before Flop
Seat 9: Tomte123 folded before Flop


Thoughts?

KookieMonstr.

[Tilt]

Its terrible. The gap concpet is especially important here. You do not want to be the caller, which even though you pushed you effectively did. You shuold have folded to the first raise. You should have also folded to the second raise, since even if your hand is "live" you are looking for a coin flip. By waiting until you can be the raiser you will find better odds than 50%. Your play is more consistent with a blind:stack ratio of around 10:1.

[liquid]

Tilt, I also hate calling the first raise, but on the re-raise isn't hero getting more than enough odds heads up vs. AAxx? I haven't run the numbers yet.

[Troll_Inc]

I think the most important information is what else is going on in the tournament. Are there 4-5 ppl that have 2-3x your stack? Or are there ten players at the top of the leaderboard real close to 8-10k just like you?

I'd be more willing to push if I was greatly outstacked. I'd be more inclined to fold to the reraise if the biggest stack in the tournament was only 10k because the more chips/bigger stack you get in a tournament, the less they are worth. You most likely have a coinflip, or maybe better if both players play. Is the outcome worth the chance the double up?

[Riddick]

If you are in the money, I like it. Give yourself the best chance to win the whole thing.

[Tilt]

thats not the point. Sure, if they were $ instead of tourney chips flippin a coin for your stack would be close by the time the pot gets a few thousand chips in it. But that compares very poorly in terms of expectation compared to folding and retaining a stack large enough to generate fold equity through stealing.

It simple. In a tourney, be the pusher, not the caller.

[TheRempel]

I'm gonna be the [censored] and tell you to convert your hands at http://www.neildewhurst.com/hand-converter/
before posting.