Big multiway pot with overcard

[obsidian]

Really unsure what to do on this flop

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Button ($116.95)
Hero ($212.70)
BB ($244.27)
UTG ($333.11)
MP ($125.45)
CO ($20.55)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to $8</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls $8, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $23</font>, BB calls $22, UTG folds, MP calls $16, Button folds.

Flop: ($82) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $70</font>

[MrMxyztplk]

This is going to sound weak, but with two people calling that reraise (and one cold-calling it (EDIT: OOP too (EDIT 2: I'm an idiot, but BB is still in a bad position)), I think I check-fold that flop.

[MrMxyztplk]

I'll add some justification to my post...

When you're making that flop bet, I'm pretty sure you have the intention to shut down completely unless a Q hits the turn. So then it boils down to this: do you think that your CB can take this pot vs. TWO opponents more than about 45% of the time? I think the answer is no. Hence, I check-fold.

[Buckmulligan]

I'm not sure we need to bet this much. I don't expect anything we beat to call this flop bet on this board; in fact, I think if we are going to find two folds, we'll find them by beting about 30$ less.

[obsidian]

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I'm not sure we need to bet this much. I don't expect anything we beat to call this flop bet on this board; in fact, I think if we are going to find two folds, we'll find them by beting about 30$ less.

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Yea, this is exactly what I was thinking when reviewing the hand in my head afterwards.

[Fly]

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I'm not sure we need to bet this much. I don't expect anything we beat to call this flop bet on this board; in fact, I think if we are going to find two folds, we'll find them by beting about 30$ less.

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Yea, this is exactly what I was thinking when reviewing the hand in my head afterwards.

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Completely disagree. A bet that small reaks of fear and encourages a pocket pair (a likely holding for =&gt;1 of the villians) or a flush draw to call and bluff you when you open check the turn.

[MrMxyztplk]

Obsidian... What did you think BB's range was?

[Buckmulligan]

I dont think that AQ sticks around versus a 30$ bet and I'm not sure that 88 or 99 will either. It's really TT and JJ that we may run into trouble against with a smaller flop bet.

[MrMxyztplk]

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It's really TT and JJ that we may run into trouble against with a smaller flop bet.

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So we may run into trouble vs. JJ and TT. KK, AA, and AK have us beat. AQ folds. That sounds like most, if not all, of BB's range, even given an unknown. Is the bet even worth it then? We still need to win over 30% of the time with a $40 bet. And then there's CO to worry (somewhat) about.

[n1nj4.br]

30 is to low. if u are going to bet, Bet $50-60

Btw, but im not sure if betting here is +ev.