Players talking during hand, what is my remedy

[Willy Gee]

I bought in for the minimum based on what I read in Ed Miller's book, having never played no limit in a casino before.

I don't think I am being results oriented. I thought (incorreclty, it turns out) that under-the-gun was on a straigt draw. I objected before the hand was played out because I thought the button was giving under-the-gun better odds to call by announcing he would be putting money in the pot. That's all.

Under the gun won with Js 9s, after both the turn and the river were spades. I did catch the King of spades on the river.

I did not make a scene or belittle the players. I was just wondering if the floor could have done more.

[highlife]

you got two people to put their money in when you had the best of it. i'll take that every time.

[Willy Gee]

"you got two people to put their money in when you had the best of it. i'll take that every time."

Yep, I need to move on.

Thanks.

[undathesea]

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Buying in short stacked at an NL game is apparently a strategy that works pretty well for people. I don't play much cash NL, so I don't know much about this, but I believe it stems from Ed Miller's Getting Started in Holdem

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Haven't read Getting Started in Holdem, but it seems to me that putting yourself at an immediate disadvantage by buying in for minimum table stakes is insane and is asking for someone to put you all-in. Something very similar happened to me this weekend that I have been thinking about as an angleshoot for the past 24 hours.

I was playing 1/2 NL at Caesar's in AC and the competition is so sweetly soft, it was a dream. I was watching Pitt beat Indy, so I was playing extemely tight picking up pots here and there without seeing a turn.

Twice, two different people behind me, after I raised the blinds asked me how much I had left as they wanted to put me all-in PF. Now, this was strange to me for two reasons. I never limped PF and was playing extremely tight, even showing on a few occassions to keep my tight image so that I didn't have to focus so much on poker. Maybe around 10-15% VPIP. I only had about 150 in front of me, but it was colored up to look like I was short stacked (one black). When I announced I had 150, they promptly folded and laughed about what a big mistake they just avoided. Both were hyper-aggressive and one was drunk beyond belief (the drunk kid must not have seen the other donkey try it first... and they were sitting next to each other!!!).

This could be an interesting angleshoot to get a player to put you all-in preflop without realizing how much you actually have in your stack. Thoughts?

[ThunderEagle]

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Haven't read Getting Started in Holdem, but it seems to me that putting yourself at an immediate disadvantage by buying in for minimum table stakes is insane and is asking for someone to put you all-in.

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I haven't reached the NL section of GSIH quite yet, but I believe that is exactly what the system is designed to do. From reading about others employing the system, I think you only ever play super premium hands, but again, I'm not quite there yet.

[DayTripping]

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This could be an interesting angleshoot to get a player to put you all-in preflop without realizing how much you actually have in your stack. Thoughts?

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Yes. Angle shooters should be kicked in the nuts.

[undathesea]

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This could be an interesting angleshoot to get a player to put you all-in preflop without realizing how much you actually have in your stack. Thoughts?

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Yes. Angle shooters should be kicked in the nuts.

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Hmmm... I think this is less of an angleshoot and more of a way to get another player to miscalculate and make bad play or mistake (isn't that what poker players do anyway?). Angleshooting is more or less obtaining information unfairly and using the games rules to either ball you out or against the other player.

[DayTripping]

Call it what you will, but I see it as deceptive and slimy. Every player has the right to know how much every other player has. If you deliberately try to make me think you have only $100 when you actually have $500, that's wrong. Poker is about deception, but there's a difference between playing your cards deceptively and arranging chips deceptively. The latter is not part of the game.

[n.s.]

I don't get it - why can't button's hand simply be declared dead? Isn't that the ruling if he exposed his cards, and isn't this pretty much the same thing?

[RR]

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and arranging chips deceptively. That latter is not part of the game.

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You are not allowed to hide high denomination chips.