OESD + Flush. draw

Ineedaride2 · #1 06-20-2006, 11:56 PM

Is this a standard play?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

SB ($72.21)
Hero ($59.45)
UTG ($50.10)
MP ($248.60)
CO ($150.56)
Button ($136.95)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
1 fold, MP raises to $2, CO calls $2, 2 folds, Hero calls $1.

Flop: ($6.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $5, CO raises to $10, Hero calls $10, MP folds.

Turn: ($31.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero calls $47.45 (All-In), CO calls $47.45.

River: ($126.40) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $126.40

rebuyboy · #2 06-21-2006, 12:01 AM

I probably lead the flop for 5 dollars and 3-bet allin. If I smooth called and the turn bricks, I realize that playing draws OOP sucks.

Dan Bitel · #3 06-21-2006, 12:04 AM

"standard" would be to C/R AI on the flop or to b/3b it

Ineedaride2 · #4 06-21-2006, 12:06 AM

Here's where I'm confused. I'm 95% sure that CO is going to push the turn, or at least bet big enough that I either have to push or fold.

Does my draw necessitate that I see the river no matter what? And if so, doesn't the bit of fold equity I have on the turn make an open push better than a check/call all in?

Or should I just check on the off chance that he's going to give me a free river.

machine · #5 06-21-2006, 12:07 AM

i like C/R all in here as a 3 bet can lead to trouble if the turns a blank

schwerd2 · #6 06-21-2006, 12:07 AM

dont cold call on the flop. Looks like youre on a draw and if a diamond comes you probably wont get paid off.

I would checkraise all-in on the flop. It makes no sense to push on the turn since you are no longer a favorite in the hand. You may get hands like AQ and QJ to fold to a check-raise all-in on the flop. Also if MP actually has a hand he may fold the best hand since CO raised behind him.

Ineedaride2 · #7 06-21-2006, 12:07 AM

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"standard" would be to C/R AI on the flop or to b/3b it

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I should've said acceptable instead of standard.

But either way, I want my money in the middle as soon as possible, right?

Dan Bitel · #8 06-21-2006, 12:09 AM

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"standard" would be to C/R AI on the flop or to b/3b it

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I should've said acceptable instead of standard.

But either way, I want my money in the middle as soon as possible, right?

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not if "as soon as possible" means the turn, b/c you have less pot equity then and less folding equity.

machine · #9 06-21-2006, 12:10 AM

you will get more fold equity C/R all in on the flop villans may put you on a set with this kind of play plus you have your money in with the best of it

schwerd2 · #10 06-21-2006, 12:14 AM

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Here's where I'm confused. I'm 95% sure that CO is going to push the turn, or at least bet big enough that I either have to push or fold.

Does my draw necessitate that I see the river no matter what? And if so, doesn't the bit of fold equity I have on the turn make an open push better than a check/call all in?

Or should I just check on the off chance that he's going to give me a free river.

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Your draw doesnt mean that you have to see the river. On the turn since you didn't make your draw youre only 30% to make a flush or a straight on the river. Your fold equity is MUCH higher with a CR all-in on the flop. AQ probably can't call unless he thinks youre a LAGtard, everything folds IMO except 2-pair or a set.

Check-calling an all-in on the turn would be a mistake since youre all-in and you need to be getting 4:1 to make this call profitable.