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Old 06-18-2006, 02:43 PM
The Dude The Dude is offline
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If you are playing Absolute 3/6 with a 2/3 blind structure you're going to steal with a wider range of hands and defend with a wider range of hands than you would in a 1/3rd blind structure at Party 3/6.


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In a 2/3 blind structure the only position you should be stealing from more often is the SB. From the CO and Button you should be stealing less often.
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Old 06-19-2006, 01:43 AM
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Default Re: For the love of god, stfu!

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If you are playing Absolute 3/6 with a 2/3 blind structure you're going to steal with a wider range of hands and defend with a wider range of hands than you would in a 1/3rd blind structure at Party 3/6.


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In a 2/3 blind structure the only position you should be stealing from more often is the SB. From the CO and Button you should be stealing less often.

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That doesn't sound right to me, what's your logic there?
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Old 06-19-2006, 02:13 AM
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My guess:

You're going to get called by the SB more, so your equity edge + fold equity is lower than where the SB needs a much better hand to play.

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Old 06-19-2006, 02:20 AM
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Default Re: For the love of god, stfu!

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My guess:

You're going to get called by the SB more, so your equity edge + fold equity is lower than where the SB needs a much better hand to play.

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It'd be interesting to know what amount of your EV comes from the SB folding PF and what amount comes from post-flop FE in a 3-way spot.
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Old 06-19-2006, 03:11 AM
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Default Re: For the love of god, stfu!

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My guess:

You're going to get called by the SB more, so your equity edge + fold equity is lower than where the SB needs a much better hand to play.

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Yup. Since chances are you're going to actually have to play postflop more, it becomes a better idea to have something more worth playing.

(For the sake of argument, we'll omit the relative better quality of the Absolute players as a variable.)
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Old 06-19-2006, 03:30 AM
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If you are playing Absolute 3/6 with a 2/3 blind structure you're going to steal with a wider range of hands and defend with a wider range of hands than you would in a 1/3rd blind structure at Party 3/6.


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In a 2/3 blind structure the only position you should be stealing from more often is the SB. From the CO and Button you should be stealing less often.

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Dude,

I think you are off the mark here. Fundamentally, everybody should loosen up a smidge with that extra dead money in the pot. The CO and button can profitably steal with more hands and the SB can profitably defend more hands (as can the BB to a lesser degree).
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Old 06-19-2006, 03:43 AM
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In a 2/3 blind structure the only position you should be stealing from more often is the SB. From the CO and Button you should be stealing less often.

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Dude,

I think you are off the mark here. Fundamentally, everybody should loosen up a smidge with that extra dead money in the pot. The CO and button can profitably steal with more hands and the SB can profitably defend more hands (as can the BB to a lesser degree).

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That's theoretical, but aside from the SB, does this loosening up actually occur among the vast majority of players who don't understand about the extra pot value? How the game actually plays has to be a consideration, right?
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Old 06-19-2006, 07:58 AM
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You must understand the Game you play. If so...you will be the winner.
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Old 06-19-2006, 11:51 AM
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Default Re: For the love of god, stfu!

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If you are playing Absolute 3/6 with a 2/3 blind structure you're going to steal with a wider range of hands and defend with a wider range of hands than you would in a 1/3rd blind structure at Party 3/6.


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In a 2/3 blind structure the only position you should be stealing from more often is the SB. From the CO and Button you should be stealing less often.

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Sorry, I really think that's incorrect. There's extra dead money to go after, so you go after it by stealing it.

Does this mean you think that it's optimal to steal more often from the CO and button in a 1/3rd blind structure?
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Old 06-19-2006, 12:51 PM
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Default Re: For the love of god, stfu!

it all depends how people adjust.

if people call the sb nearly 100% of the time because its 2/3 then you dont steal as much. if they adjust perfectly, you steal the same.

when there's extra dead money in the pot from a UTG poster, the blinds typically do not adjust correctly. they dont call much more than they normally would. in this case we raise lighter from co/button. in a 2/3 blind structure, the SB himself does typically adjust. so you adjust your stealing range as much as he's adjusting. if he's a dumb rock who doesnt understand, yes, steal more because there is $1 more already in the pot.

stop with the blanket statements
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