But I don't want to fold!!

[Bill Lumberg]

UTG1 is 72/38/1.7 over 55 hands
MP1 is 48/20/2 over 35 hands

About 30 hands at the table and both lags have made donk bets with weaker hands to test their opponents.

Pre-flop: Hero is MP2 with A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
1 fold, UTG1 raises, 2 folds, MP2 3-bets, Hero caps, 4 folds, both call.

Flop: (13.5 sb) 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets, both call

Turn: (8.25 BB) Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
UTG1 bets, MP1 raises, Hero ?????

[bozlax]

Yeah, I'm gonna need you to come in over the weekend and 3-bet that, Bill.

Actually, and seriously, have you noted anything that they showed down having gone aggro postflop? That would help a lot. I don't want you to fold, but if this is even possibly a set or two-pair from either of them, you need to.

[man]

3-bet. if the action is similar on the river you can fold, but I call one river bet, improved or not.

[Hielko]

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3-bet. if the action is similar on the river you can fold, but I call one river bet, improved or not.

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What hands do your think the opponents have? How are you doing against that range with TPTK?

[Romulus141]

Ugh, I hear ya. I hate folding to maniacs. But, unless you've noted that they have been showing down crap often, I think you need to fold, like the others have already advised you. Against two maniacs, you're just playing with fire, because you can't close the action, and they might get cap-happy. One of them probably has a hand that can beat yours a good portion of the time.

[Bill Lumberg]

Board: 5s Ks 4d Qh
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) tie (%)
Hand 1: 36.8987 % 31.41% 05.48% { AdKh }
Hand 2: 30.9919 % 28.66% 02.33% { QQ+, 55-44, AQs+, K5s+, AQo+, K8o+ }
Hand 3: 32.1094 % 28.03% 04.08% { QQ+, AQs+, K9s+, AQo+, KJo+ }

Here's how I see the hand ranges here. Look's like we can't fold.

[Bill Lumberg]

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Yeah, I'm gonna need you to come in over the weekend and 3-bet that, Bill.

Actually, and seriously, have you noted anything that they showed down having gone aggro postflop? That would help a lot. I don't want you to fold, but if this is even possibly a set or two-pair from either of them, you need to.

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I think the only thing I had noticed was that UTG1 had donked 22 and took it to showdown once against a PFR that had raised his donk on the flop.

[Buzz-cp]

I think we're [censored]. We did not get to see MP2 cap preflop (we did) and he calls this flop and raises turn? He would raise flop with AK. He has a monster. The other guy probably has AK AQ or maybe KQ. He called 2 more preflop, so he has something good. I would see if we can get to showdown. I don't like 3-betting turn.

[Bill Lumberg]

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I think we're [censored]. We did not get to see MP2 cap preflop (we did) and he calls this flop and raises turn? He would raise flop with AK. He has a monster. The other guy probably has AK AQ or maybe KQ. He called 2 more preflop, so he has something good. I would see if we can get to showdown. I don't like 3-betting turn.

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This was my exact thinking during the hand, but the pot is so big and they are both lags, it would hurt too much to watch them show down AQ and KT. Plus, my ranges on the stove in another post have me in good shape here. So . . .

Hero calls, UTG1 calls

River: (14.25 BB) T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG1 checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, UTG1 folds

[bozlax]

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Hero calls, UTG1 calls

River: (14.25 BB) T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
UTG1 checks, MP1 bets, Hero calls, UTG1 folds

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Yeah, this works fine. I don't think your read on either player is good enough to do anything else.