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#32
06-18-2006, 03:55 AM
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Re: Let\'s talk dice control
There used to be a method of shaking the dice in the cup where they swirl around inside the cup but don't bounce around. This is called a fake shake and it is not allowed, and since the use of the newer cup, is not possible. The corporation are also trained to spot people trying it and also make sure that players give the dice a good shake so that this is not possible.
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#33
06-19-2006, 07:02 PM
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Re: Let\'s talk dice control
in my opnion their are better ways to make money than trying to learn to throw dice. i have a question for everyone has anyone ever run a vegas rules craps game?
because you get a whole new outlook on the game from the other side of the table.
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#34
06-30-2006, 06:18 PM
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Re: Let\'s talk dice control
I love these threads so much it deserves a bump. Successfull dice control in a live casino setting is hogwash, entertaining to fantasize about but hogwash nonetheless.
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#35
06-30-2006, 11:02 PM
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Re: Let\'s talk dice control
I've read Wong's book and Scoblete's book. Wong is, as always, very analytical about his method of tossing the dice. He seems to truly have some level of control over the dice (based on his stories and evidence). I have gotten a stick of casino dice and been fooling arround with them. There does seem to be the possibility that with proper technique SOME level of control could be achieved. I have managed to throw the dice the length of a queen size bed while they "stick together" and rotate at the same speed with SOME consistency. I think it could be done with more practice and a better environment.
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#36
07-02-2006, 11:01 PM
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Re: Let\'s talk dice control
I have been barred from playing dice at a few casinos in Vegas and Biloxi, so I guess I have the real world experience here.
Dice control is a hoax. Scoblete is not a credible source. Wong is an old man but should still be ashamed of himself. You are not under oath when you write a book, but still. There should be some dignity. He has also written a book on how to beat the horses, but I notice that he still hasn't beaten the horses. He will pretty much do and write what it takes to be in the spotlight -- anything except actually push out a big bet in a high count on the blackjack table. The dice coach you are all thinking of is not a winning player. That's why he has to "coach." It is not the $3,000 he charges people that saddens me. It is the $100,000 the victims go on to lose in the casino. Think about how quickly you pull out ahead in blackjack counting cards with only a tiny 1 percent edge; even the unlucky player with a terrible start will be ahead after 400 hours. With dice control after 400 hours all you see is the random walk downhill. Sorry, Virginia, there is no Santa Claus. If it worked, the person holding this skill would never tell a soul. He would travel from casino to casino and earn millions of dollars. He would never want to publicize that such skill was even possible. It would be stupid. No book he could sell for a few thousand dollars in royalties a year could ever make up for the lifetime of earnings lost. One little sentence in Sharpshooter's book spills it all. He claims the control doesn't work when he starts betting over $100. Of course, if you have a positive expectation, you want to bet bigger because you make more money. If you are losing when you bet more, it is because you have a negative expectation and you're getting into the long run faster. I will leave it as an exercise for the reader as to why a dice coach or dice writer wouldn't want you to get into the long run as quickly as possible! Casinos are staffed by fallible and superstitious human beings, and sometimes they fall prey to hysteria and superstition like anyone else. So they may bar a big winner at craps. Or in my case a modest four or five figure winner. It's their loss.
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#37
07-03-2006, 01:46 AM
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Re: Let\'s talk dice control
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One little sentence in Sharpshooter's book spills it all. He claims the control doesn't work when he starts betting over $100. Of course, if you have a positive expectation, you want to bet bigger because you make more money. If you are losing when you bet more, it is because you have a negative expectation and you're getting into the long run faster. [/ QUOTE ] While I'm of the opinion that dice control is a hoax (not that my opinion counts as I have no info either way). I'm confused as to how larger bets would "get into the long run faster". Seems that if your expectation is negative you should be losing the same amount, proportionately, on all your wagers.
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#38
07-03-2006, 02:31 PM
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Re: Let\'s talk dice control
Eh, Kaesar, I'm not sure I understand your point of confusion. If you can get more of your bankroll in action sooner, then clearly you are going to get into the long run faster, agreed?
Let's try it this way. As advantage players, our goal in gambling, any kind of gambling, is to bet the maximum we can get away with when we have an edge and the minimum or nothing when we don't. Well, we all know that. That's kindergarten. Any book or coach that advises differently is tacitly admitting that his scheme doesn't work. Money management is for losers. Keep in mind that dice control systems are not aimed at the new player. A fresh face can do just fine building his roll in the traditional proven ways. The dice control scam is aimed at separating the successful long-term players from their money -- people who are vulnerable because they are frustrated that they can no longer get much of their bankroll in action because of the difficulties caused by barrings, CTRs, keeping good players on teams, etc. Your statement is of course correct, but it's not quite to the point. We aren't interested in proportions. Small players with small bankrolls are not going to be impacted because they don't have any reason to spend the time and money to chase the fantasy of dice control. And they are sure as crap not going to pay $3,000 to any self-appointed dice coach. I sometimes feel frustrated that I can't express myself as clearly as I would like, but just bear with me, I guess. A lot of us, if we were smooth talkers, we would never have had financial incentive to get involved in advantage play in the first place.
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#40
07-03-2006, 04:20 PM
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Re: To the left
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[ QUOTE ] I've had as many as 25-30 whiskeys while shooting craps -- and it never had any effect on my advantage. [/ QUOTE ]I always tip more after 5 whiskeys. [/ QUOTE ] The whiskey, the dealers, or just in general?
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