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Old 06-16-2006, 11:28 AM
Bill Lumberg Bill Lumberg is offline
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Default Flop and river decisions

UTG2 is 75/38/1.7 over 55 hands
MP2 is 48/20/2 over 35 hands
Button is 30/5/1 over 60 hands

Pre-flop: Hero is CO with J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, UTG2 calls, 2 folds, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, button calls, UTG2 calls, MP2 caps, all call.

Flop: (17.5 sb) 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG2 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, button calls, UTG2 calls

Turn: (10.75 BB) K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG2 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, button raises, UTG2 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls

River: (18.75 BB) A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG2 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks, button checks.
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Old 06-16-2006, 11:34 AM
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Default Re: Flop and river decisions

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UTG2 is 75/38/1.7 over 55 hands
MP2 is 48/20/2 over 35 hands
Button is 30/5/1 over 60 hands

Pre-flop: Hero is CO with J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, UTG2 calls, 2 folds, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, button calls, UTG2 calls, MP2 caps, all call.

Flop: (17.5 sb) 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG2 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, button calls, UTG2 calls

Turn: (10.75 BB) K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG2 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, button raises, UTG2 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls

River: (18.75 BB) A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG2 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks, button checks.

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i like raising the flop.
and i'm probably bet-folding the river.
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Old 06-16-2006, 12:30 PM
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i like raising the flop.
and i'm probably bet-folding the river.

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I don't think I could fold 2nd nuts for 1 bet.

What's the rationale for betting the turn? MP2 is scared of the flush or kings, but so are we. Clearly button has one or the other. We have a draw now to the 2nd nuts.
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Old 06-16-2006, 12:41 PM
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I definately would raise this flop.

I also would bet/call the river.
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Old 06-16-2006, 12:44 PM
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I definately would raise this flop.

I also would bet/call the river.

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With a capped preflop, aren't we in WA/WB mode? my (admittedly limited) understanding of WA/WB says we should only call the flop.
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Old 06-16-2006, 12:44 PM
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You don't think one of these is capable of raising the river with a lower flush? Something like a K with the T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
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Old 06-16-2006, 12:46 PM
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I definately would raise this flop.

I also would bet/call the river.

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With a capped preflop, aren't we in WA/WB mode? my (admittedly limited) understanding of WA/WB says we should only call the flop.

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Sorry for not explaining my thinking at all. I would raise to try and drive out button and EP.
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Old 06-16-2006, 01:05 PM
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I definately would raise this flop.

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What would be the point? With the size of this pot, we are not folding out anything we would want to fold out. Raising this flop does not protect our hand as any overcards would still be right to call.
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Old 06-16-2006, 01:07 PM
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UTG2 is 75/38/1.7 over 55 hands
MP2 is 48/20/2 over 35 hands
Button is 30/5/1 over 60 hands

Pre-flop: Hero is CO with J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
2 folds, UTG2 calls, 2 folds, MP2 raises, Hero 3-bets, button calls, UTG2 calls, MP2 caps, all call.

Flop: (17.5 sb) 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG2 checks, MP2 bets, Hero calls, button calls, UTG2 calls

Turn: (10.75 BB) K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG2 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, button raises, UTG2 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls

River: (18.75 BB) A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG2 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks, button checks.

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i'm probably bet-folding the river.

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Could you explain why you would do that?
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Old 06-16-2006, 01:10 PM
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i like raising the flop.
and i'm probably bet-folding the river.

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I don't think I could fold 2nd nuts for 1 bet.

What's the rationale for betting the turn? MP2 is scared of the flush or kings, but so are we. Clearly button has one or the other. We have a draw now to the 2nd nuts.

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You may have the best hand and don't want to give a free card in a huge pot. We may be behind, but you can't play scared in a pot this big, right?
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