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Old 06-08-2006, 07:23 AM
bigpooch bigpooch is offline
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Default Re: 5C Draw - gutshot or draw 4?

Neither. As some of the other posters have mentioned
already, it's better to draw three to AT. Also, even if
you held precisely A9765 (without four to a flush), it is
better for practical considerations to draw three to A9
rather than four to an ace.
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Old 06-08-2006, 01:56 PM
Tom Bayes Tom Bayes is offline
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Default Re: 5C Draw - gutshot or draw 4?

About the only time I would find myself raising and then drawing 4 would be if I were short-stacked in a tournament and I had pushed all-in trying to steal the blinds and had gotten called. Since I'm all-in, I have no chips left to bluff with after the draw, so all I can do is try to improve my hand.

Some might suggest falsecarding in an effort to make an opponent break a better hand than yours (maybe break a pair of aces or kings to draw at a flush), but my experience is that most opponents in the small buy-in tourneys are rather oblivious to how you draw and won't do this. I see a lot of people do stuff like keep kickers with a pair or draw 1 to trips in all-in situations and I believe falsecarding in that situation is almost always a mistake.
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Old 06-09-2006, 10:14 AM
Fishy McDonk Fishy McDonk is offline
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Default Re: 5C Draw - gutshot or draw 4?

Interesting responses. I suppose if I were going to draw 1, I should raise to represent 2 pair and bet whether I hit my hand or not.

I wouldnt' have considered drawing 3. Although I have only read about half of the Weisenberg articles, I recall him describing hands making 4 and 5 card draws in the BB. He may have been in multi-way pots, though. I think I remember a situation where he drew 3 to AK, but I am not sure. I will have to review the articles.

I was playing low-limit draw. I am sure for PL cash, it would be opponent dependent and for tourneys, very situational.
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