2/4 JTs in SB

[henkeee]

No reads!
MP1 is 21/10/5 - 42 hands
MP2 is 14/11/4.33 - 129 hands

Hero is in SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
MP1 limps, <font color="red"> MP2 raises </font>, folded to Hero in SB who calls, BB folds, MP1 calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (7SB, 3 players)
Heros checks, <font color="red"> MP1 bets </font>, MP2 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5BB, 3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 checks.

River: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5BB, 3 players)
<font color="red"> Hero bets </font>, MP1 folds, MP2 folds.


(If someone knows about a hand converter for the B2B network, please let me know)

[TripleH68]

I find this an easy fold preflop.

Once you are in this hand I think you played it fine.
The river may be a longshot but betting is your only chance to win.

[henkeee]

I fold it preflop usually and that's mainly why I'm interested in responses. How many players do I need?

What about the flop call? It's questionable too I think. The preflop raiser seems to be on OC and I'm not that likely to be dominated, but I fold it like always.

[Haupt_234]

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No reads!
MP1 is 21/10/5 - 42 hands
MP2 is 14/11/4.33 - 129 hands

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Isn't that an oxy moron?

Fold preflop, given that you played it I might have tried for a donk bet on the turn. You may take it right there since it looks like MP2 is ready to fold, so its all on if MP1 has a real hand or not. If he does and raises, you have atleast 9 outs.

Haupt_234

[SukitTrebek]

i'd fold preflop unless more people are coming.

standard call on flop with bdfd and overcards which should be reasonably live.

i would not lead turn, as i wouldn't expect the flop donker to fold.

[Haupt_234]

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i would not lead turn, as i wouldn't expect the flop donker to fold.

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I didn't realize the flop bettor was a donker... I was mistaken and thought he was the PFR which would make it a nice donkbet IMO.

I like a c/c on the turn, too.

Haupt_234

[TripleH68]

I missed the flush first time around. Nice.

[Warren Harding]

I would rather cold call on the button than cold call here in the SB OOP, and I'd rather not cold call on the button here, so I fold PF. Not enough high card strength, poor explicit or implied odds.

I fold the flop. You over cards are very dirty, backdoor FD is not enough to make up for it. Peeling isn't horrible getting 9:1, but I think it's -EV.

Turn is fine. No other way to play the river.

[dannelito]

Anyone favour folding this in SB? my thoughts are that there are too few people in the pot to make it worthwhile. Maybe im totally off.

[tsrcess]

easy pre-flop fold. these types of hands are great chip bleeders because you will so often catch a piece of the flop which will require bets, raises or calls and which will (often) utimately lead to 2nd or 3rd best hands or hands that miss the river and must be folded....i remember reading once that for good flush value, very high cards are preferred followed by very low cards followed by mid-level cards....the writer's theory was that (i guess) mid-value flush cards share too many common cards with other hands so as to reduce the value of making the flush with mid-value cards...there might be something to this theory....