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Old 06-05-2006, 07:46 PM
KAknight KAknight is offline
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Default 2 pair, ugly board

Do I slow down and check the river in situations like these, or keep betting?

UTG+1 has 450BB in his stack and playing super LAG.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, MP1 calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 3-bets</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, Button calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (15.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button folds, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB folds, UTG+1 calls.

River: (22.25 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 24.25 BB
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Old 06-05-2006, 07:55 PM
Buckmulligan Buckmulligan is offline
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Default Re: 2 pair, ugly board

not even looking bas the horrendous preflp play
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Old 06-05-2006, 07:56 PM
Harkon Harkon is offline
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Default Re: 2 pair, ugly board

Fold preflop. If it was suited it would be borderline-ok but not really.

Against a LAG/Maniac I'm not slowing down until hypothetical river check/raise, which I would just call.
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Old 06-05-2006, 07:56 PM
btspider btspider is offline
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Default Re: 2 pair, ugly board

fold PF. super lag? eh, the others are giving you an overlay.. i wouldn't put more aggro in than you did.
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Old 06-05-2006, 09:21 PM
Cardzy Cardzy is offline
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Default Re: 2 pair, ugly board

I fold it preflop, even against the loosest, most aggressive LAGs. Actually I should rephrase that to "especially" against the loosest most aggressive LAGs.

QJo makes mediocre hands postflop on a lot of occasions and I don't want to be fighting for a pot against someone who is going to force me to put in a lot of bets with a mediocre hand. The only time I would play this against a LAG is if I had a great chance to get it heads up and in that case I would 3 bet it preflop.
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Old 06-06-2006, 05:56 AM
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Default Re: 2 pair, ugly board

fold preflop call down after the turn raise
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Old 06-06-2006, 06:07 AM
Ampelmann Ampelmann is offline
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Default Re: 2 pair, ugly board

Grunch:

After the flop 3-bet I just call down, bottom two pair doesn't make me too enthusiastic on this board. If an A or a T comes I'm out. But I may be too weak-tight against maniacs.

Also I fold this pf without thinking.
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