Flop play

KAknight · #1 06-05-2006, 07:38 PM

I am unsure if my play on the flop was correct. Any feedback is appreciated.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.02.
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO (poster) calls, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (16 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (8 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, MP3 folds, CO folds, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+1 3-bets, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (15.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets, MP2 calls, Hero raises, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 3-bets, MP2 folds, Hero caps, MP1 calls.

River: (24.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero raises, MP1 calls (MP1 is All-In).

Final Pot: 27.75 BB

Harkon · #2 06-05-2006, 07:45 PM

Yeah, I think it's good. It's a nice flop for 88 and I don't think you can really expect UTG+1's check/raise on that board.

Turn is kind of uncomfortable with MP1 waking up (since 89 owns you), but I don't really mind the cap. It's going to be two pair often.

I wouldn't go crazy on the river, but that was impossible anyway with MP1's stack. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Stoo_Pot · #3 06-05-2006, 07:59 PM

You prob shouldn't raise that river donkbet, but villain was stacking off so you didn't have to worry about a 3-bet.

00Snitch · #4 06-05-2006, 08:06 PM

what a crazy hand...

i like the flop raise. you wont get many better flops than this with 88.

after that im lost. the c-r-3-bet from UTG+1 represents something big, i would have to think a set. but he could be doing it with an overpair. either way you have to call his 3-bet.

when MP1 donks the turn after calling 3 cold on the flop you have to be worried. i still like your first raise on the turn, but i would call down from there.

im not too sure at all about this hand.

i would go.
raise/call the flop.
raise/call the turn.
call the river.

Gap23Razor · #5 06-05-2006, 08:10 PM

thought your raise was a very good play...your gut shot has equity here with 16 small bets in...with 8 players in, you will get callers, so it a good value bet to continue to build the pot size, although it is a longshot

Cardzy · #6 06-05-2006, 09:13 PM

Love the aggression! I'd probably play it the same except just call the river, although with his stack size I might do just as you did and put him all in since I do have a nice hand in a big pot, why not break him if I have him beat? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Romulus141 · #7 06-05-2006, 10:08 PM

*Grunch*

I do the same thing on the flop. My guess is that UTG+1 has a high PP, so you know you need to improve, and this flop is worth calling to the turn.

MP1 has suddenly come alive on the turn. After his 3-bet, I'm taking a serious re-evaluation. He's acting like he has a straight too, or maybe even two-pair with him holding a 6-5 (can't put that beyond the donks). I don't think you're seeing a 2-3 here most of the time though. Heck, you might even see a fullhouse, considering the ability of players at these penny tables. I think you're going to split or lose the pot a good amount of the time, so just calldown.

CrMenace · #8 06-05-2006, 10:26 PM

*grunch*

You played this exactly right as close as I can tell.

Shillx · #9 06-05-2006, 10:30 PM

The turn cap shows a pretty fundimental misunderstanding of pot equity. Why the forum advocates it is beyond me.

The river raise is pretty bad.

Str8Fish · #10 06-05-2006, 10:39 PM

looks fine, but if MP1 weren't going all in on the river, I wouldn't have raised.