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#21
06-03-2006, 01:23 PM
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Re: river c/rd
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[ QUOTE ] "so, he is going to donk this flop with a draw when hero likely will raise and shut out the other player? this makes no sense. " I have heard ppl say this in this forum over and over again. You are correct, it doesnt make sense, but our opponents do a lot of things that dont make sense. Villan knows that we have the ace and he is still check raising us on the river...easy laydown [/ QUOTE ] these 2 things have nothing to do with each other. i agree that his river c/r is troubling as he obviously seees the ace and doesn't seem to care. but to say that he is betting a spade draw on the flop here makes no sense. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] 
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#22
06-03-2006, 01:31 PM
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Re: river c/rd
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] "so, he is going to donk this flop with a draw when hero likely will raise and shut out the other player? this makes no sense. " I have heard ppl say this in this forum over and over again. You are correct, it doesnt make sense, but our opponents do a lot of things that dont make sense. Villan knows that we have the ace and he is still check raising us on the river...easy laydown [/ QUOTE ] these 2 things have nothing to do with each other. i agree that his river c/r is troubling as he obviously seees the ace and doesn't seem to care. but to say that he is betting a spade draw on the flop here makes no sense. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] WhiteShirt has contended that villian's flop bet means spades. he then said that the river c/r means hero is beat. i agree with the latter, but not the former, as a river c/r here often is bad news, but a flop donk on that board could mean lotsa things.
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#23
06-03-2006, 01:32 PM
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Re: river c/rd
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] easy fold, he is donkning a draw clearly when the ace hits, he wont donk a Q or weaker ace. [/ QUOTE ] so, he is going to donk this flop with a draw when hero likely will raise and shut out the other player? this makes no sense. [/ QUOTE ] agreed, i always raise 77 here. [/ QUOTE ] you do?
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#24
06-03-2006, 02:11 PM
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Re: river c/rd
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] "so, he is going to donk this flop with a draw when hero likely will raise and shut out the other player? this makes no sense. " I have heard ppl say this in this forum over and over again. You are correct, it doesnt make sense, but our opponents do a lot of things that dont make sense. Villan knows that we have the ace and he is still check raising us on the river...easy laydown [/ QUOTE ] these 2 things have nothing to do with each other. i agree that his river c/r is troubling as he obviously seees the ace and doesn't seem to care. but to say that he is betting a spade draw on the flop here makes no sense. [/ QUOTE ] [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] WhiteShirt has contended that villian's flop bet means spades. he then said that the river c/r means hero is beat. i agree with the latter, but not the former, as a river c/r here often is bad news, but a flop donk on that board could mean lotsa things. [/ QUOTE ] We obviously can not say it is villain`s only possible holding on the flop. But it is definetely part of his flop range.
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#25
06-03-2006, 07:52 PM
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Re: river c/rd
just to be clear, i dont auto put villan on a spade draw just because he donks.
I dont think the river bet is awuful, but if your gonna make that bet then be prepared to fold to a raise. However, you cant allow your opponents to take shots at you either so beware in the future.
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