When nothing makes any sense anymore... (3/6 NL 6 max)

Triumph36 · #1 06-01-2006, 03:51 AM

I have no idea how to play this hand correctly and no idea how it got played the way it did. Villain is a regular at 3/6 but he's not very good - tends to call a bit too much. I'm pretty sure question marks literally appeared above my head when he played it as he did:

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ Hero (6 handed) internettexasholdem.com

UTG ($611)
MP ($86.75)
CO ($128.13)
Button ($1210)
SB (Villain) ($792)
Hero ($1137.60)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB (Villain) posts a blind of $3.
1 fold, MP calls $6, 2 folds, SB(Villain) (poster) raises to $27, Hero raises to $94, MP folds, SB(Villain) calls $70.

Flop: ($206) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain bets $150, Hero calls $150.

Turn: ($506) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Villain bets $380, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $886

ender555 · #2 06-01-2006, 04:00 AM

what are his stats, and who is he? If he's a tag this is a definite fold, if he's a lag i'm pushing turn or raising flop and getting it all in if he comes over the top.

ArturiusX · #3 06-01-2006, 04:00 AM

Why not just raise the flop? He's not folding 88-JJ.

ender555 · #4 06-01-2006, 04:02 AM

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Why not just raise the flop? He's not folding 88-JJ.

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i think thats a little far fetched...... we didn't hear how large triump's 3-betting range had been, but him 3-betting a raise from the SB shows some strength. 88-JJ would NOT bet/call here unless the villian was tilting or bad.

Triumph36 · #5 06-01-2006, 04:05 AM

It's breecedjp, ender - in between TAG and LAG. I think I had him at like 33/16 before but by this hand he was down to 25/12 - definitely tightening up. He's made some bizarre moves in the past but that flop lead really had me confused.

I hated the idea of pushing the turn since TT is now ahead of me - all I beat is JJ. Since there's a shortstacked limper in the hand (a donkey, but still a limper), he can't be on air or some sort of goofy nonsense, and this was the first time I'd seen him raise out of the blinds in this spot all night.

ender555 · #6 06-01-2006, 04:07 AM

Ive only played him a little bit, but he played extremely tight against me. I'm guessing he rarely raises out of the blinds, and you're probably up against AA/KK here. He was definitely playing pretty passive with some strong hands tonight, so I doubt you were ahead, good fold.

dmitch442 · #7 06-01-2006, 05:12 AM

WHy call the flop lead if you intended on folding the turn bet? Imo, either pop the flop or release it

wpr101 · #8 06-01-2006, 05:16 AM

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WHy call the flop lead if you intended on folding the turn bet? Imo, either pop the flop or release it

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This is a good point and I agree. If you put him on the higher pair you know it's going to cost you more on later streets.

BK_ · #9 06-01-2006, 06:39 AM

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WHy call the flop lead if you intended on folding the turn bet? Imo, either pop the flop or release it

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This is a good point and I agree. If you put him on the higher pair you know it's going to cost you more on later streets.

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he could be playing something like 99-jj this way, but usually would not fire the turn again. i dont mind the flop call as the turn will usually define his hand well and there may be enough value to take one off here.

thejerkface · #10 06-01-2006, 01:05 PM

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I'm guessing he rarely raises out of the blinds

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If this is the case, wouldn't a smooth call pre-flop be best? If he's tight raising out of the blinds, his range would be something like AA-TT, AK-AQ. By re-raising, I think we give him the opportunity to play perfectly against us: he'll lose the least with TT-JJ and win the most with AA-KK by possibly stacking us.