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Old 05-29-2006, 10:34 AM
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Default Re: That really good Poker Player wrote a section about this I think..

How does that help you against his 99?
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Old 05-29-2006, 11:21 AM
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Default Re: That really good Poker Player wrote a section about this I think..

"How does that help you against his 99?"

I agree, I would fold there usually. But i am of the opinion that raising is better than calling if we're carrying on.
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Old 05-29-2006, 11:21 AM
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What worries me here is the button. A tight (as in his raising standards are tight) passive raises here and now you're capping with a potentially dominated hand. He very likely has a better ace here or an underpair to the queens. I think his hand is a bit better than marginal. Do you think he is positional aware? I like the flop and turn plays. I'm not sure about the river. Like you said, you're not folding any aces or medium pairs.
SB is the LAG

And Button hasn't raised ever.
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Old 05-29-2006, 11:30 AM
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Default Re: That really good Poker Player wrote a section about this I think..

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How does that help you against his 99?
Probably not as good as it would against his 44 or 55
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Old 05-29-2006, 11:39 AM
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Default Re: That really good Poker Player wrote a section about this I think..

Great spot for it. You've got SB beat, and the river raise screams slowplayed flush/trips/boat to Button.

Getting him to fold Ax hands you split with is huge.

Using stove to cheat a bit, and assuming his vp is 75, pairs make up about 10% of his range, and Ax is about 15%, 9x hands where x > T is about 5%.

Assuming he folds the river without a pair/9x hand.
50% of the time he calls and wins, 50% he calls and splits.

.5(-1) = -.5BB
.5(4.25) = 2.13BB
EV of calling = 1.63 BB

Assume he always folds Ax here to the raise (and SB folds):
EV of the raise is therefore:

.5(-2) = -1BB
.5(8.5) = 4.25 BB
EV = 3.25 BB

So getting him to fold hands that split is worth:

3.25 - 1.63 = 1.6BB

It's actually a bit better because SB will call here often. If you happen to get Button to fold a pair here sometimes, well that's just gravy.

The assumptions could be off by quite a bit and it's still a great play...
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Old 05-29-2006, 11:51 AM
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Default Re: That really good Poker Player wrote a section about this I think..

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It's actually a bit better because SB will call here often.
You can negate this a bit because sometimes his garbage wins
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Old 05-29-2006, 03:07 PM
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Default Re: That really good Poker Player wrote a section about this I think..

I dont understand this hand at all...

Fold preflop, bet the turn, bet the river (call better than raise).

Reading someones post, I guess you messed preflop up, I would raise here call the cap. When he checks the turn I bet and fold to a c/r. He is only c/ring here with legit hands with button sandwiched so you can safely fold.

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Old 05-29-2006, 03:13 PM
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Default Re: That really good Poker Player wrote a section about this I think..

Argh, you're converterless post messed me up.

"Button Bets, SB raises, Hero 3-bets, Button Calls, SB Caps All Call"

Sorry, read this as Button opens for some reason.
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Old 05-30-2006, 07:55 AM
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Default Re: That really good Poker Player wrote a section about this I think..

Maybe I should have worded it as Button Limps...my mistake, sorry about the mix-up.

True I'm kinda curious as to why you would favor a call on the river over a raise.
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Old 05-30-2006, 08:44 AM
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Default Re: That really good Poker Player wrote a section about this I think...

Button could very well fold a better 2pair for 2cold but without having seen him play I can't imagine anybody not betting any pair on the turn when checked to on that board. You could potentially boot him out of a 3way chop but I dunno if that's better than letting him overcall with K high. Of course if SB can fold an Ace then it's different but I sincerely doubt it. Basically I think you have to feel like button has a better hand than SB to make this play and I don't know what gives you that impression given the action in this hand, your reads not withstanding.
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