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Old 05-26-2006, 09:11 PM
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whats kind of low? Im just going by Indy basing all his calcs on our opponent having at least trips 100% of the time. I mean its still an obvious allin anyway, but this just makes it more obvious.

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Not you dude. Indy was referring to me by quoting that.

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Misunderstanding. Im serious, is this the same calc or is there another equity model that you use for this?
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Old 05-26-2006, 09:12 PM
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Using ICM, here is our distribution if we push and win (80%):

47.6 x .8 = 38.1

If we push and lose 30 x .2 = 6

So a total equity of 38.1 + 6 = 44.1 or $441

If we call and win (80%)

43.9 x .8 = 35.1

If we call and lose

33.7 x .2 = 6.7

6.7 + 35.1 = 41.8 or $418

So you lose $23 of the prize money by calling. That's over 10% of what's at stake.

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Hey super, isn't this the exact calculation I did but just removing 99 as a possiblity?



Indy

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I'm embarrassed to say I couldn't understand your calculations.
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Old 05-26-2006, 09:13 PM
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referring to me sarcastically when he said "better players" I mean.

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Huh? No idea what u are talking about.

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Old 05-26-2006, 09:16 PM
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Using ICM, here is our distribution if we push and win (80%):

47.6 x .8 = 38.1

If we push and lose 30 x .2 = 6

So a total equity of 38.1 + 6 = 44.1 or $441

If we call and win (80%)

43.9 x .8 = 35.1

If we call and lose

33.7 x .2 = 6.7

6.7 + 35.1 = 41.8 or $418

So you lose $23 of the prize money by calling. That's over 10% of what's at stake.

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Hey super, isn't this the exact calculation I did but just removing 99 as a possiblity?



Indy

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I'm embarrassed to say I couldn't understand your calculations.

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Oh. Well once it gets heads up you really dont need an ICM calculator do you? Your tourney equity is easy to calculate
because its directly calculated from your % of the chips in play.

Indy
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Old 05-26-2006, 09:20 PM
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You quoted Curtains as saying "the assumption of having a 9 is ridiculous" and said you were glad you were learning from better players. I thought you were saying that sarcastically toward me. You can see how it would look that way?

Sorry if I questioned your integrity. I really thought that was how you meant it.
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Old 05-26-2006, 09:21 PM
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You quoted Curtains as saying "the assumption of having a 9 is ridiculous" and said you were glad you were learning from better players. I thought you were saying that sarcastically toward me. You can see how it would look that way?

Sorry if I questioned your integrity. I really thought that was how you meant it.

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Dude I have no common sense whatsoever. It never occured to me. I was being sincere. Many of the players in this forum are better than me.

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Old 05-26-2006, 09:31 PM
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It might be my paranoia again. I'll get my meds.
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Old 05-27-2006, 08:04 PM
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i dont like the limp preflop. if hes a LAG then you are going to be laying this hand down far too often to make it profitable. play push/fold poker and/or try to limp with hands you are willing to re-push with.

and duh repush river. if he has you beat, nh gg.

btw, what are the blinds? or am i just blind and cant see them?
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Old 05-27-2006, 08:05 PM
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i dont like the limp preflop. if hes a LAG then you are going to be laying this hand down far too often to make it profitable. play push/fold poker and/or try to limp with hands you are willing to re-push with.

and duh repush river. if he has you beat, nh gg.

btw, what are the blinds? or am i just blind and cant see them?

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I like calling PF....folding getting 3-1 with position is really really tight...theyd have to raise a very large % of the time to make this ok.
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Old 05-27-2006, 08:15 PM
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i dont like the limp preflop. if hes a LAG then you are going to be laying this hand down far too often to make it profitable. play push/fold poker and/or try to limp with hands you are willing to re-push with.

and duh repush river. if he has you beat, nh gg.

btw, what are the blinds? or am i just blind and cant see them?

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I like calling PF....folding getting 3-1 with position is really really tight...theyd have to raise a very large % of the time to make this ok.

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i agree...as harrington points out in vol II of his book, and as you learn by experience with heads up play, you always get profitable odds to see a flop heads up in the SB, and only if you anticipate a raise and cannot stand one would i consider folding with a hand like this unless i was sure to pick a better spot in an upcoming hand to PWN villain....i almost never fold heads up when the stacks are even and i have even a little bit of wiggle room in an unraised pot heads up, and you see why the more you get heads up.
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