Good bluff, or just spew?

[InternetJunky]

Based on some of the replies in this forum, people are either way too passive when playing, or I'm way too aggressive. Here's an example of what I would consider aggressive play on my part.

Is this a decent play, or should I tone my game down?


Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls.

River: (8.25 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets...</font>

[GrahamW]

I think that's total spewing, and if you won, you got lucky.

[crablegs33]

I go off like this every now and again, but when i do it has to be read dependent... and you don't supply any reads...

you just got yourself stuck in a world of aggression here and are spewing like a teenage girl with a fifth of vodka in her...

even when i do pull stunts like this, i consider it negative EV, and when it doesn't work i chalk it up to very expensive LAG advertising/ entertainment for the bored crablegs...

[InternetJunky]

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even when i do pull stunts like this, i consider it negative EV, and when it doesn't work i chalk it up to very expensive LAG advertising/ entertainment for the bored crablegs...

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The problem is that I'm not so positive that it is actually -EV at the party 2/4 tables. I would estimate that I probably get away with this 60-70% of the time (I wish there was a poker office report that could show me stats on this).
I've only got 5k hands at that level right now though, so it certainly could be a skewed perception on my part. The tables are night and day different than the 1/2 level though (way more passive).

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There's an added bonus in that if you do get caught ever with this play you can guarantee call downs when you do have a hand. Those guys HATE getting bluffed.

[tsrcess]

i'm thinking of the teenage girl with a 5th of vodka in her. that situation, probably, could lead to some trouble...having played my fair share of hands, i have come to the conclusion that attempts at button semi-stealing with hands like j,10 (o) are just not worth it....same thing with j.10 (s) lol

[Grease]

If you're gonna spew, don't spew like this.

Not really, this is awful spewage. I would hazard a guess that you got called down and pissed away about 5BB in the process.

We all pull moves like this, but I think I'd be better off if I just played my solid game and didn't try to get overly fancy.

[sean c]

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i'm thinking of the teenage girl with a 5th of vodka in her. that situation, probably, could lead to some trouble...having played my fair share of hands, i have come to the conclusion that attempts at button semi-stealing with hands like j,10 (o) are just not worth it....same thing with j.10 (s) lol

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tsrcess it depends on the limper and the blinds.

[sean c]

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I probably get away with this 60-70% of the time

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It would need to work this often to be profitable in a pot this size.

[Walker]

Without a very specific read, I'd just fold to the turn donk. He's got an ace, two pair, or a straight here most of the time. Even if he just has an underpair or a 6, he might call down anyway. I don't really like pf either, unless you have a specific read that the blinds are tight and MP is really weak.

[James.]

there are more categories than aggro and passive. there is smart aggression and dumb aggression...poker is more about picking the right spots to be aggressive. mindless aggression is a sure way to go broke when people adjust to you and just call you down.