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Old 05-24-2006, 03:22 AM
9cao 9cao is offline
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Default Classic/Standard PF KK Decision.....

Game Info:

5 handed, 10/20
Table has a LAG and all action hands usually run through him so not too much aggression otherwise.
I have 2k and table covers.

Villain Info:

Have about 4k hands with him SH and he is 32/11 when 5-handed.
His overall aggression factor is 2.
He is a regular and probably a small winner in 5/10 game.
I have no memory of him overbetting PF like this.

My Info:

He would probably have under 1000 hands with me for current screen name. He would most likely view me as a 25ish/12ish for 5 handed, and he would have pretty much never seen me get too out of line.


The hand:

Villain makes it 70 UTG. Folded to Hero who makes it 242 in the BB with KK. Villain pushes.


Anyone get away from this or is it the old KK, SH, 100BB, insta-call??? What if it was 150BB???
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Old 05-24-2006, 03:24 AM
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Default Re: Classic/Standard PF KK Decision.....

Instant call. 150BB = laggy call.
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Old 05-24-2006, 04:58 PM
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Default Re: Classic/Standard PF KK Decision.....

who was villain? Against some this is an instant call (I insta called JJ last night against one of these) and some it is a tough fold.
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Old 05-24-2006, 05:01 PM
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Default Re: Classic/Standard PF KK Decision.....

100BB instacall. I see AK here more often than not with that overbet push.

-Mike
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Old 05-24-2006, 05:16 PM
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Default Re: Classic/Standard PF KK Decision.....

Sorry but I will never fold KK preflop unless of the situation describe in Sklansky's book Tourament Poker for Advance Players.
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Old 05-24-2006, 05:18 PM
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Default Re: Classic/Standard PF KK Decision.....

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who was villain? Against some this is an instant call (I insta called JJ last night against one of these) and some it is a tough fold.

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Villain is "Supnagga". I figure a safe assumption is this is only AA or AK (I know small % to other hands, like QQ and Ax, but can't be very high). If he does this equally as often when he has AA and AK then I have 47% equity. I just can't figure out which one is more likely since the PF overbet is so weird to me now at high stakes.

I think it is a call up to about 125BB, then I think the balance tips.
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Old 05-24-2006, 06:09 PM
KRANTZ KRANTZ is offline
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Default Re: Classic/Standard PF KK Decision.....

How often have you been 3-betting? If your 3-bet range is fairly light, this is an insta-call.
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Old 05-24-2006, 08:46 PM
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Default Re: Classic/Standard PF KK Decision.....

Against Sup, I am easily calling - he has shown me that he is not very bright.
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Old 05-24-2006, 08:57 PM
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Default Re: Classic/Standard PF KK Decision.....

I think this is a clear call vs. sup, his range is significantly bigger than AA/AK
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Old 05-24-2006, 09:07 PM
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Default Re: Classic/Standard PF KK Decision.....

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Sorry but I will never fold KK preflop unless of the situation describe in Sklansky's book Tourament Poker for Advance Players.

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What situation is this?
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