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Old 05-23-2006, 03:04 PM
SimonAllan SimonAllan is offline
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Default QQ Misplayed Everywhere

This is villain's first hand at the table. I've never played with him before.

Comments on all streets welcome.

I decided to flat call the flop given that I had position, and a reraise usually minimises that advantage. I'm not quite sure what I'm doing on the flop, but I wonder if I need to take control of the hand here. The turn is the only street I'm happy with - he shows weakness and must be punished. I thought about value betting the river, but I think I took the cowardly way out here. If he has more than I do, he would have shown it by now.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (8 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP1 ($49.50)
MP2 ($50.91)
CO ($21.70)
Hero ($43.67)
SB ($15.20)
BB ($55.67)
UTG ($32.07)
UTG+1 ($24.80)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
UTG calls $0.50, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $2, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG folds.

Flop: ($5.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $5</font>, Hero calls $5.

Turn: ($15.25) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets $0.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, MP1 calls $7.50.

River: ($31.25) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $31.25
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Old 05-23-2006, 03:26 PM
Fishmonger Fishmonger is offline
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Default Re: QQ Misplayed Everywhere

You might want to reraise this preflop.

I like the flop call, villain is showing a lot of strength with that bet. I raise the pot on the turn and then bet 1/2 pot on the river when he checks. I would be very surprised if you are beat here.
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Old 05-23-2006, 03:28 PM
Dan Bitel Dan Bitel is offline
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Default Re: QQ Misplayed Everywhere

Villains 1st hand at the table????? YOU FILTHY LIER!!!!!

I 3bet preflop. As played, raise more on turn and value bet river
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Old 05-23-2006, 03:35 PM
ImsaKidd ImsaKidd is offline
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Default Re: QQ Misplayed Everywhere

Preflop, youve gotta reraise this. Push out the blinds and the limper.

As played, flop is a raise, probably fold to a 3bet. Raise to like 15 on the flop IMO. Waiting for the turn, there are quite a few scare cards: A/K definitely, as well as a diamond. It is also conceivable villain has AT, so T's may be bad as well.
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Old 05-23-2006, 03:37 PM
BalugaWhale BalugaWhale is offline
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Default Re: QQ Misplayed Everywhere

reraise pf and it all plays out differently

As played, I like a flop raise.
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Old 05-23-2006, 03:39 PM
Dan Bitel Dan Bitel is offline
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Default Re: QQ Misplayed Everywhere

all,

why is flop a must raise?
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Old 05-23-2006, 03:43 PM
BalugaWhale BalugaWhale is offline
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Default Re: QQ Misplayed Everywhere

dbitel-
board is draw heavy and villain is likely to have one or two overcards, or possibly a hand like AT or JJ that we get value from.
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Old 05-23-2006, 03:49 PM
AZplaya AZplaya is offline
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Default Re: QQ Misplayed Everywhere

Besides not 3 betting pre flop, I think the biggest mistake you made in this hand was not value betting the river. Flop call is fine. If your going to raise the turn, make it pot sized raise. If you had made a pot sized raise on the turn, you could get the rest of it in on the river. As played, I would bet about $15 on the river.
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Old 05-23-2006, 03:58 PM
Mroberts3 Mroberts3 is offline
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Default Re: QQ Misplayed Everywhere

I think missing the river value bet here is the only really bad part. I mean not raising PF is one thing, but on the river you are probably good 90% of the time. You have to bet this.
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