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Old 05-23-2006, 09:37 AM
Lost_My_Stink Lost_My_Stink is offline
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Default Re: hand vs nate 30 short wynn

Also what do you guys think about chk-call the flop and donk betting the turn hoping to induce a raise for a three bet opportunity?
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Old 05-23-2006, 09:41 AM
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Default Re: hand vs nate 30 short wynn

Think check-raise flop or check-call, check-raise turn are the best ones as IŽm not sure the more suspicious ones will generate more action against a player like nate.

IŽd probably check-raise the flop as I dont really know that much about his play, if he folds, then you probably wouldnŽt have gotten much action no matter how you played it.
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Old 05-23-2006, 10:18 AM
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Default Re: hand vs nate 30 short wynn

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Also what do you guys think about chk-call the flop and donk betting the turn hoping to induce a raise for a three bet opportunity?

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I thought about this at the start, I don't think I would be 3-betting Nate however on the turn if he did raise.

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Old 05-23-2006, 10:23 AM
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Also what do you guys think about chk-call the flop and donk betting the turn hoping to induce a raise for a three bet opportunity?

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I thought about this at the start, I don't think I would be 3-betting Nate however on the turn if he did raise.

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You should be, unless you're planning on calling his turn raise to spicy the river.
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Old 05-23-2006, 10:29 AM
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Also what do you guys think about chk-call the flop and donk betting the turn hoping to induce a raise for a three bet opportunity?

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I thought about this at the start, I don't think I would be 3-betting Nate however on the turn if he did raise.

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You should be, unless you're planning on calling his turn raise to spicy the river.

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exactly that.

I think he will often fold anything that isn't ~AA if we bet/3-bet, depends how often Hero has done it or ever done it before.

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Old 05-23-2006, 10:34 AM
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Also what do you guys think about chk-call the flop and donk betting the turn hoping to induce a raise for a three bet opportunity?

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I thought about this at the start, I don't think I would be 3-betting Nate however on the turn if he did raise.

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You should be, unless you're planning on calling his turn raise to spicy the river.

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exactly that.

I think he will often fold anything that isn't ~AA if we bet/3-bet, depends how often Hero has done it or ever done it before.

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Eh, I think that's awfully tight. Most people are afraid of being exploited by loose bet3bets enough that he'll call down with a good top pair in addition to putting in more bets with 2pr hands. In a 4-handed game I think AT-AK folds to a turn 3bet pretty rarely.
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Old 05-23-2006, 10:56 AM
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Default Re: hand vs nate 30 short wynn

c/r the flop to start. If he 3 bets, try to call and bet/3 bet the turn. If he just calls your turn bet, screwplay the river.
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Old 05-23-2006, 11:00 AM
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Default Re: hand vs nate 30 short wynn

Check/call flop, bet/3-bet turn. He's just not giving you much action without an Ace, and a good Ace will raise the turn since you look like an Ace who wants to get a bet on the turn.
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Old 05-23-2006, 11:14 AM
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I like check-bet-call, check-bet-raise myself.

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jeff, why do you like this over c/r, lead?
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Old 05-23-2006, 02:14 PM
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Default Re: hand vs nate 30 short wynn

Never played against Nate but I have to imagine that a risk of going for a river checkraise is that Nate might be tricky enough to raise the turn without an ace but with a marginal pocket or piece, trying to get a higher pocket or piece to fold -- but preparing to fold to a 3-bet. Seems there's a definite risk he'll take the free showdown, or am I nuts?
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