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Old 05-22-2006, 07:12 PM
Pominos Pominos is offline
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Default Good, bad or just plain FPS?

Ok, villain in this hand MP2 is loose pf, but tighter post flop. He also likes to take shots at the pot when checked to.
UTG+1 is loose passive and harmless.

Poker Room skin
No Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $0.25/$0.50
9 players
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Stack sizes:
UTG: $42.50
UTG+1: $34.30
MP1: $67.30
MP2: $54.60
MP3: $53.45
CO: $27.75
Button: $66.80
SB: $90.50
Hero: $90.75

Pre-flop: (9 players) Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, 4 folds, 4 folds, <font color="#cc0000">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls.

Flop: 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($8.25, 3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 bets $4</font>, Hero calls, UTG+1 folds.

Ok, so I have an overpair, which is probably good, but will be killed by a lot of turns, so.. I decide to CHECK and let MP2 bluff away at it. Then I will donk bet any 'safe' turn.
Figuring this way I will win the most when ahead and lose the least when behind, at the cost of letting villain get a free card... I'm not prepared to go to war with this hand, and will let it go to a large flop bet or a turn raise.

Turn: T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ($16.25, 2 players)
<font color="#cc0000">Hero bets $10</font>, MP2 calls.

Ok, so far so good. His call most likely means he's on a draw or thinks I'm FOA.

River: 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($36.25, 2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="#cc0000">MP2 bets $15</font>, Hero calls.

Ok, not so bad a card for me. If I bet again, worse hands will fold and better ones will call or raise.
So time to let him bluff his missed draw? Given the highly erratid nature of my play so far, he is probably putting me on air (A-high) and might bet any hand here.

Results:
Final pot: $66.25

What's my score on the FPS scale?
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Old 05-22-2006, 07:17 PM
Megenoita Megenoita is offline
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Default Re: Good, bad or just plain FPS?

I wouldn't really call any of this FPS, but it's pretty okay considering the read on the player. You can still bet the river, btw, as worse hands will call--just don't bet huge. Bet like 1/3rd the pot for value. If you check, and a T bets 22-24, it's tough to fold J's, but if you bet small, like 12, then get raised, you know you're not ahead. Also, by betting and not checking, you get smaller pairs who would check through to call.
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Old 05-22-2006, 07:18 PM
Dan Bitel Dan Bitel is offline
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Default Re: Good, bad or just plain FPS?

on the PFS...10/10!!!

That being said, I don't think its a bad line, in fact, i kind of like it, but I still don't think its optimal.

I just cant agree with checking that flop, I mean, 3/4 of the deack is a scare card to your hand. Given flop, I think turn is fine (even though your bet is slightly on the light side) and the rier play is certainly best
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Old 05-22-2006, 08:46 PM
Pominos Pominos is offline
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Default Re: Good, bad or just plain FPS?

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on the PFS...10/10!!!

That being said, I don't think its a bad line, in fact, i kind of like it, but I still don't think its optimal.

I just cant agree with checking that flop, I mean, 3/4 of the deack is a scare card to your hand. Given flop, I think turn is fine (even though your bet is slightly on the light side) and the rier play is certainly best

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Just to make it clear: I bet this flop 95% of the time against two regular donks. I just think it was better to let him bluff at it in this particular situation.
The only case where I would have gotten more out of the hand by betting, I think, is when he has the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], and decides to raise somewhere along the hand. Only problem is that that would have made me fold what might well be the best hand. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

Oh, and thanks for the 10/10 [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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