50nl - two hands against a laggish player

[Leonid]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (5 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP ($53.70)
<font color="#C00000">Hero ($50.60)</font>
SB ($17.45)
<font color="#C00000">BB ($35.30)</font>
UTG ($19.50)

Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls $0.50, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.5</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $2, MP calls $2.

Flop: ($7.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB pushes, MP folds, Hero...

Here's the first hand. The two things that would make me lean towards folding here are that BB pushed into two people on the flop, not just me, and that the board didn't contain any flush draws. At the time, all I knew about him were his PT stats: 61/9/1.4. I'll give the results later after I hear some responses, as they may be important in analyzing hand #2.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

MP ($61.80)
Hero ($48.50)
Button ($10.75)
SB ($48.75)
BB ($70.50)
UTG ($22.50)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $1</font>, MP calls $1, Hero calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, BB calls $0.50.

Flop: ($4.25) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $0.5</font>, UTG calls $0.50, MP folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $3</font>, BB calls $2.50, UTG folds.

Turn: ($10.75) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets $0.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, BB calls $7.50.

River: ($26.75) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB pushes, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $26.75

Same villian, a few orbits later. Note that without a read, when a villian minbets into a big pot I treat it as though he has checked to me (since the bet is miniscule). Questions, comments?

Thanks,
Leon

[Leonid]

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no one has anything to say about these?

[Slap My Jack]

Hand 1: Tough spot. It's either a draw or a monster, most of the time. OESD or two pair or better. Some of these "LAGs" like to open push to snare a nonbeliever's stack.

Hand 2: Calling a raise with QJo preflop might be a leak. Usually I find if I have to take QJo to showdown, then I'm likely to lose money. But it was just a minraise.

Villain looks like he was trying to draw for cheap, donkbet flop/call a raise, donkbet turn/call a raise. It looks like 97 hit the draw, or it's a busted draw, or it's villain having you beat and making sure you don't escape with your stack.

Hand 2 I can get away from easier than 1.

It really comes down to how "laggish" they are.

Hand 1, if you've seen him push like this before, you can venture a call.

Hand 2, you might have been ahead, but now you look beat to me. Again, it depends on how abusive he has been, but I think this one leans fold more than hand 1.

[Leonid]

Great response Jack. One thing - I have QJs in the second hand (I would also fold QJo there). Also, does the mindonk often mean villian is drawing here, because I think I've seen this from other bad players as well.