I take a less common line with flush draw against Gildwulf

Rudis · #1 05-12-2006, 06:05 AM

Situation history:
I've been raising lightly to upset Gildwulf.
The player to Gildwulfs left is extremely loose 50+ vpip. Low pfr, but decent postflop aggression (1.3-1.4).

The hand:
Pf: It's not the best hand in the world to get 3bet by Gildwulf on but At least it doesn't include an A or a K.
The 3 bet cc doesn't say very much. He could have anything still.
Flop:
I think that no "move" from my side could have gotten Gildwulf off of his hand, so I decide to take it easy.
Turn:
When I check the turn I'm thinking, I'll just call this, but then Gildwulf checks. This is NOT a made hand. The fish bets, which I would say is about 50% any pair 50% nothing.
I see my chance to maybe steal the pot on the turn, or on the river, and also often buy a Q out. I raise.
River: I follow through.

What made me make this play is that I thought there was some chance I could steal the pot instantly and if I didn't I might buy more outs.
The downside is not letting Gildwulf in on the flush draw.

Party Poker
Pot Limit Holdem Ring game
Blinds: $5/$10
6 players
Converter

Pre-flop: (6 players) The_Rudis is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
The_Rudis raises to $20, UTG+1 folds, CO raises to $30, Button calls, 2 folds, The_Rudis calls.

Flop: 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] ($105, 3 players)
The_Rudis checks, CO bets $10, Button calls, The_Rudis calls.

Turn: 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ($135, 3 players)
The_Rudis checks, CO checks, Button bets $20, The_Rudis raises to $40, CO folds, Button calls.

River: K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ($215, 2 players)
The_Rudis bets $20, Button calls.

Results:
Final pot: $255

The Bryce · #2 05-12-2006, 02:35 PM

If your read's accurate (50% hand 50% nothing) then it's great, obviously. Can't really debate the accuracy of your read.

Rudis · #3 05-12-2006, 06:45 PM

Ok. Let the read be, this is a 50/9 /1.4 guy.

Entity · #4 05-12-2006, 06:48 PM

I don't think you should bet the river.

Rudis · #5 05-13-2006, 08:44 AM

Is this because of the K or just generally?

Bond18 · #6 05-13-2006, 10:56 AM

I take it the UTG raise with Q9s was a mix it up play then and not standard?

Im not so sure about your river bet, if hes on nothing i think he mostly folds turn to your checkraise. What hands do you think he calls turn CR with that hes going to fold on this river with? Theres not a lot of hands worth calling 30 PF with that has a draw on that turn, even if he is 50 VPIP.

Rudis · #7 05-13-2006, 01:55 PM

QTs is standard utg for me...
I'm thinking hands like A2, A3, A7, A8
I guess with the river K there just aren't that many hands that beat me on higcard...

Victor · #8 05-13-2006, 04:38 PM

are you capping the turn if he 3bets or was that just a phase?

Rudis · #9 05-13-2006, 05:41 PM

I would need to have an excellent read to cap the turn here against anyone.
I'd just call and fold river ui.