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#41
05-12-2006, 12:50 PM
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Re: Question for the Brick and Mortar Pro\'s
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My thought is that you don't understand that online games are WAY tougher. [/ QUOTE ] If I acknowledge that I can't seem to win online, isn't that also an acknowledgement that online is tougher, at least for me, than live poker? I'm trying to understand why that is. From my perspective, it's because of a number of reasons, including: (a) lack of physical information to use in helping to make decisions; (b) games are much quicker, decisions must be made quicker, with less information; (c) players in and out of the games much more frequently than live, and as a result, there is less of a chance to pick up reads on players (e.g., someone sits down, bets like a maniac for 5-10 hands, taking down some pots, then picks up and leaves and you never see him again - that doesn't happen when you play live poker); (d) more distractions - wife, TV, music, internet, etc. - hard to focus on silly computer screen video poker game. Seems that some of you are saying that people who can beat internet poker necessarily can beat live poker, that in general, playing poker on the internet is harder than playing live poker. Do people agree with that statement? 
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#42
05-12-2006, 01:55 PM
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I completely agree with you. I too started my poker journey by playing online (partypoker). After about a year of bad beats and terrible players I switched over to live games. One of the best decisions I've ever made. Playing live either at casinos or home games has really allowed me to take my game to the next level. I'm more profitable and go less on tilt in live games. I should have switched over sooner.
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#44
05-12-2006, 04:46 PM
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If I acknowledge that I can't seem to win online, isn't that also an acknowledgement that online is tougher, at least for me, than live poker? I'm trying to understand why that is. From my perspective, it's because of a number of reasons, including: (a) lack of physical information to use in helping to make decisions; (b) games are much quicker, decisions must be made quicker, with less information; (c) players in and out of the games much more frequently than live, and as a result, there is less of a chance to pick up reads on players (e.g., someone sits down, bets like a maniac for 5-10 hands, taking down some pots, then picks up and leaves and you never see him again - that doesn't happen when you play live poker); (d) more distractions - wife, TV, music, internet, etc. - hard to focus on silly computer screen video poker game. Seems that some of you are saying that people who can beat internet poker necessarily can beat live poker, that in general, playing poker on the internet is harder than playing live poker. Do people agree with that statement? [/ QUOTE ] (e) The players are better.
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#45
05-12-2006, 05:06 PM
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Every week a new crop of online players comes to town and each week I am grateful that they have this mindset. Keep perpetuating this myth. [/ QUOTE ] It doesn't sound like they're very good online players to start with. Either that or they're just having a huge problem adapting to B&M without giving off tells -- I don't play high enough for that to matter so much, but I can see how at mid-stakes it would. Without a doubt an online $1-2 NL game or $3/6 LHE game is much tougher than its live counterpart; I don't see how anyone with cursory knowledge of the two could disagree.
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#46
05-12-2006, 08:13 PM
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Re: Question for the Brick and Mortar Pro\'s
In my experience, live $15-30 or $20-40LHE(assuming reasonable table selection) is easier to beat than $3-6 online. My experience comes from playing Commerce, Hustler, Bike, Mirage, Bellagio. I think the $15-30 at Wynn and Bicycle Casino are tougher in general than $3-6 online.
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#47
05-12-2006, 08:17 PM
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(e) The players are better. [/ QUOTE ] this is such a fucing ignorant statement using resources like pokerstove and pokertracker at your fingertips while playing poker of course the players are going to seem better, but that is not playing poker... there are no PT stats in live poker, nobody does the math for you, you have to keep track of your own rate/hour and pick up your own tells...
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#48
05-13-2006, 01:12 AM
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I think the whole point is how much different the two games are.
I don't get to play live that much at all. I really like it more than online, but there is no card room close to me. I have also been told that live play is so much softer, and so much easier. Well, not for me. When I go to Vegas, it is usually about day 3 before I really start to do any good at the table. It seems to take that long to get my mindset changed, and acclimated to the live game. I think you can find really juicy games at any level online, as well as in a card room. People who don't play much online have a harder time winning. But I think it is also true that people who don't play much live have a harder time winning.
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#49
05-13-2006, 01:47 AM
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Re: Question for the Brick and Mortar Pro\'s
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[ QUOTE ] (e) The players are better. [/ QUOTE ] this is such a fucing ignorant statement using resources like pokerstove and pokertracker at your fingertips while playing poker of course the players are going to seem better, but that is not playing poker... there are no PT stats in live poker, nobody does the math for you, you have to keep track of your own rate/hour and pick up your own tells... [/ QUOTE ] Not to mention in a live game there is no hand history to go back and review every showdown to see what they were playing. In Live games you have to read people and pickup tendencies based on the few showdowns you see, remember how the hand played and use that to put a book on a player. If internet sites got rid of hand histories and didnt show mucked showdowns we'd find out just how good the internet studs are.... [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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#50
05-13-2006, 11:35 AM
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Re: Question for the Brick and Mortar Pro\'s
playing live and online is different but i think much can be learned from both.
playing alot more hands online is an obvious benefit (just like getting better at reading people is a benefit of playing live), and because of this, i think that i have been able to greatly improve the tilt-factor in my game. by that i mean that since i see more hands/see more bad beats (lets say, proportionally, though some will disagree) online, ive been better able to find ways of controlling myself when i am on the receiving end of one - whether thats not tilting at all or jsut recovering faster. anyway, thats all i have to contribute [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] -pug
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