turn play w/TT UTG

FDT78 · #1 05-11-2006, 10:15 PM

UTG+1 is 26/13/1.9 through 92 hands, Button is 23/9/1.1 through 167 hands, and likes to limp hands like AA. My question is, do you have the implied odds to stay in this hand on the turn? Comments on all streets appreciated.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero raises, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, 2 folds.

Flop: (9.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, MP2 calls, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, MP2 folds, Button raises, Hero?

MrWookie · #2 05-11-2006, 10:18 PM

Pretty standard fold.

bozlax · #3 05-11-2006, 10:28 PM

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My question is, do you have the implied odds to stay in this hand on the turn?

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How many bets do you think you need to make up? How many outs do you think you have?

C'mon, OP, put a little thought into it. You know the term "implied odds" so I think you can do a little of the work yourself, here. I mean, it's pretty obvious that you stayed in and wound up losing the hand, so tell us why you think that line was ok.

psy · #4 05-11-2006, 10:46 PM

Well I'm not thinking about implied odds too much. You're not finishing the betting action on the turn and who knows how many bets may go into the river. This is an easy fold for me.

I'm not betting the flop either. With so many cold callers after you a Q is right in their range and I'm assuming we're behind now with a draw.

FDT78 · #5 05-11-2006, 10:47 PM

I figured UTG+1 was raising cause he held a Q, and button slow played a set or overpair to the turn. I originally put 6 outs - 2 Tens and 4 Jacks, which is still a fold when facing 2 bets with an 11 BB pot. Now that I am away from the table and thinking more clearly, the remaining Tens should be discredited because they make a straight to any Jack, and the Jd lets in flush chasers, which are all over Party, so only 3 clean outs. Obvious fold now, as I thought at the time too, but I was overthinking and looking for something that was not there.

bags · #6 05-11-2006, 10:55 PM

I would fold this.

I'm not even thinking much about implied odds here. You only have one street left to pull the J and even if you hit your straight you wouldn't have the nuts if someone had KT, which isn't ruled out with your opponents play so far.

Just looking at pot odds (~6 to 1) and your 4 outs to the straight (10.5 to 1) this would be a horrible call. If you think a set would win this you'd have two more outs, but those T's are tainted because it puts 4 to a straight on the board.

Gib · #7 05-11-2006, 11:01 PM

Easy fold, the rest of the hand is fine.

FDT78 · #8 05-11-2006, 11:05 PM

Of course I stupidly call, river J, UTG+1 has pair of Queens and Button had a set of 8s. I win a nice pot. But I knew something was not right, and I do not want to be results-oriented, so I posted it here to get berated and get in my thick head to fold this turn.

bozlax · #9 05-12-2006, 11:04 AM

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I'm not even thinking much about implied odds here.

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You should be. Not for very long once you realize that you have to make up at least 5 bets if you hit (as you correctly point out), but you should still think about it.