99 in PP Super, facing odd push

toostoney · #1 05-10-2006, 01:13 AM

UTG+1 hasn't been at the table long, and he won most of his chips by pushing mid pair and hitting a backdoor flush. Other then that he hasn't done anything too unusual.

Party Poker
No Limit Holdem Tournament
Blinds: t300/t600
10 players
Converter

Stack sizes:
UTG: t29024
UTG+1: t29310
UTG+2: t10445
MP1: t13696
MP2: t6231
MP3: t11235
Hero: t14262
Button: t21822
SB: t8869
BB: t8493

Pre-flop: (10 players) Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG calls t600 (pot was t900), UTG+1 calls t600 (pot was t1500), 4 folds, Hero raises to t3000, 4 folds, UTG+1 raises all-in t28710 Hero?

PS: this is my first post, go easy on me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

fresherthanflynt · #2 05-10-2006, 01:18 AM

I'm folding this pretty quick, you have plenty FE and this screams the usual donkalicious (excuse me if I'm offending anyone) limp/push AA/KK - not a big fan but I'm mucking this quick - at best you're flippin' vs AK.

f000ld and m0000ve on

DDBeast · #3 05-10-2006, 01:27 AM

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I'm folding this pretty quick, you have plenty FE and this screams the usual donkalicious (excuse me if I'm offending anyone) limp/push AA/KK - not a big fan but I'm mucking this quick - at best you're flippin' vs AK.

f000ld and m0000ve on

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You'd have to be pretty donkalicious to limp behind someone with AA/KK. I think this is a smaller pair a lot of the time. I say call, double-up, and move on. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

toostoney · #4 05-10-2006, 01:33 AM

The problem here for me was UTG+1 was the second one into the pot and he limped. I just dont see AA/KK/QQ doing that, I thought it was much more likely he had a low PP and didnt want to see a flop. I think his range is much wider then just AA/KK/AK, but how wide is it?

fresherthanflynt · #5 05-10-2006, 01:33 AM

hmm you're right I missread, I thought UTG pushed - I dunno pretty donkalicious push if you ask me.

now I see why u feel lost

nath · #6 05-10-2006, 05:38 AM

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The problem here for me was UTG+1 was the second one into the pot and he limped. I just dont see AA/KK/QQ doing that, I thought it was much more likely he had a low PP and didnt want to see a flop. I think his range is much wider then just AA/KK/AK, but how wide is it?

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I'd call with JJ, probably with TT. 99 is more borderline but I can see him limping JJ/TT behind.
I don't know if I raise the 99 here, though. Is that weak on my part?

tubasteve · #7 05-10-2006, 05:42 AM

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I don't know if I raise the 99 here, though. Is that weak on my part?

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Nah I'm just LA too.

odiggity · #8 05-10-2006, 05:53 AM

ive been seeing a lot of the odd limp push with AK+ lately.
even after a limper or 2
JJ 1010 definite possibilities
i feel ur pain

btw i also raise with 99 instead of limping
and i prolly talk myself into believing he did that with small pp and wants to be shown AK
i sense villian has AK though

registrar · #9 05-10-2006, 05:54 AM

Very tricky. You see this all the time with PPs, and sometimes with AK, occasionally, obviously, with any garbage. Unless the guy is a complete idiot, he's not limping behind from EP with QQ+ unless the table has been punishing limpers regularly or unless he figures a SS for an all-in raise behind.

10s and I would be minded to call. 88 and I would be minded to muck. 99 seems pretty much smack bang in the middle of his range so my decision would be based on how the table is playing. If it's tight enough that I am likely to have FE after calling and losing and can get somehwre playing push/fold, I'd be more tempted to call. Also, if I feel that I am likley to be outplayed and my MS get whittled away, I might gamble here.

mikeJ · #10 05-10-2006, 08:00 AM

I very much prefer a limp to a raise w/ 99 in this spot, if either of them call you pf, you're going to have to wonder what they limpcalled 3k for, if someone behinds you calls, ur probably in big trouble, if you see a flop you're usually going to see @ least 1 overcard, if someone comes over the top of your raise, you're going to puke and you might as well have 27o. That said, UTG+1's range can vary a lot depending on your opponent. Simply, you don't have enough info. UTG+1 could be very bad and is reraising AI w/ 22. He could be one of those people who limps behind a limper w/ AA (I have seen it done.) Granted, those are aberrations. If you were going to avg. it out, for the most part this looks like AQs+, 88-JJ, in which case this is a call by far w/ the odds you're getting. Again, I limp behind for the 600 instead of raising these UTG and UTG+1 limpers.