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#1
05-08-2006, 06:27 AM
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67s on the Button; OESD on flop?
Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com
Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG calls, MP calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB checks. Flop: (4.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ?</font> Raise for value and maybe a free card or just call? An annoying table coach and I had a disagreement. 
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#4
05-08-2006, 07:47 AM
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Re: 67s on the Button; OESD on flop?
Don't ever argue poker strategy (or anything else for that matter) at the table. To answer your question, I like to raise here against typical low limit unknowns, but that's mostly because they are unlikely to 3 bet and shut out the field. Calling is never very wrong either.
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#8
05-08-2006, 06:07 PM
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Re: 67s on the Button; OESD on flop?
Well here's the rest of the hand... BTW I raised.
The players were very passive. They would bet sometimes reraise but a three bet was rare from them. Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (5 handed) internettexasholdem.com Preflop: Hero is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG calls, MP calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB checks. Flop: (4.50 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB folds, UTG calls, MP calls. Turn: (5.75 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> UTG checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG folds, MP calls. River: (7.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls. Final Pot: 9.75 BB Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> MP has 9d Td (two pair, nines and eights). Hero has 7c 6c (straight, nine high). Outcome: Hero wins 9.75 BB. </font> So my value bet worked perfectly even though my 5 hit on the turn. They both checked to me. I don't use this play all the time but at this table and with my position I thought it was the right move. The coach disagreed and started self righteously critiquing me as he had been doing to a couple of other players for awhile. As far as talking poker strategy goes it's not something I usually do in fact I usually say no more than TY or NH. I was just a little frustrated because I had already dealt with one obnoxious table coach that day and even though I tried my best to stand up for the LAG fish he left the table anyway. So this second coach in just a few hours was really annoying, and the amusing thing his stats were worse than the fish he was taunting. He was the fish.
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#10
05-08-2006, 07:00 PM
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Re: 67s on the Button; OESD on flop?
I would raise. The board devaluates your 8 outs to 6 or so maybe, but even then the flop raise doesn't cost you a lot (don't even know your exact equity with 6 outs, but it can't be much less than 25%) with 4 players in the pot.
The turn bet that you might save this way has a value many times greater than the cost of your flop raise. It would help to know that the BB is not very agressive and likely to 3 bet and lead the turn. So i would rename it: Raise for a free card because it doesn't really cost you anything.
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