Playing at Wynn. - Page 9

Mason Malmuth · #81 08-08-2005, 06:52 PM

Hi Jay:

That's because management at The Bellagio has recognized that $80-$150 is the preferred game, and the game that goes the best.

Poker is a lot like Darwian Evolution. Games will over time evolve to the best structures. When poker room management tinkers with these structures, as they have done at The Bellagio, and now at The Wynn, they usually damage the games.

Best wishes,
Mason

Best wishes,
mason

Mason Malmuth · #82 08-08-2005, 06:54 PM

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and there were empty tables on the rail.

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Keeping empty tables on the rail is just plain stupid. The exception might be if they plan to start something else there shortly.

MM

TheMetetron · #83 08-08-2005, 07:01 PM

I say go with $4/8, $8/16, $20/40, $40/80, $80/160.

California-style and they should be fine.

*TT* · #84 08-08-2005, 07:03 PM

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and there were empty tables on the rail.

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Keeping empty tables on the rail is just plain stupid. The exception might be if they plan to start something else there shortly.

MM

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This was the reason Michael O'Malley gave us recently in a previous discussion. Unfortunately "shortly" was never valid. The management would better serve the room and the players if they started games near the rail, and then as the room fills move the game to somewhere else in the room.

When we were last in Vegas the Wynn spread a Triple Draw 2-7 game for us. The buyins were huge, and since the rail area was empty with the exception of two games on either side I advised the floor to spread the game at a table that would attract attention on the rail. The floor declined because he needed to save the tables for the 4/8 and 1/2 NL games which he hoped to start soon. 4 hours later....... no new games at the rail, but the 15/30 game got off finally.

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*TT* · #85 08-08-2005, 07:06 PM

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I say go with $4/8, $8/16, $20/40, $40/80, $80/160.

California-style and they should be fine.

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I believe 4/8 is too low for a casino of the Wynn's caliber. I could see 6/12 as a replacement for 5/10 however.

PS: Hypothetically 5/10 can also be played with east coast style $2.50 pink chips in a 2 chip 4 chip structure, but I've never seen it spread that way.

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slickpoppa · #86 08-08-2005, 07:07 PM

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I say go with $4/8, $8/16, $20/40, $40/80, $80/160.

California-style and they should be fine.

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I think 3-6, 6-12, 10-20, 20-40, 40-80, 80-160 is ideal

PokerBob · #87 08-08-2005, 07:27 PM

I don't see whay the don't just copy the Bellagio's spread, and modify things that aren't working out after a few months. It's gotta be better than what they have now. When we were there and they didn't have enough players to spread a 15 game at noon on a Saturday, I knew they were in trouble.

*TT* · #88 08-08-2005, 07:31 PM

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I don't see whay the don't just copy the Bellagio's spread, and modify things that aren't working out after a few months. It's gotta be better than what they have now. When we were there and they didn't have enough players to spread a 15 game at noon on a Saturday, I knew they were in trouble.

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Bellagio spreads a 15, which shoots holes in your theory.

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TheMetetron · #89 08-08-2005, 07:45 PM

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I say go with $4/8, $8/16, $20/40, $40/80, $80/160.

California-style and they should be fine.

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I think 3-6, 6-12, 10-20, 20-40, 40-80, 80-160 is ideal

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$3/6 is way too low, I could see $6/12 instead of $4/8 but it ruins the whole 4 chip, 8 chip structure that works so well. $10/20 is not happening, same reason $5/10 isn't happening. 1 chip/2 chip and 2 chip / 4 chip structures just suck. $10/20 at foxwoods convinced me a big bet needs to be at least 6 chips, preferrably 8.

megabit · #90 08-08-2005, 08:22 PM

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that sure as hell sounds like him --

older - ponytail - nice jacket, nice hat - that's the guy -

usually plays 1/2 NL I heard (and from what I saw, even with all that money, he is EXTREMELY tight player..) - and I think he usually plays on fremont st. or the Wynn, so that would probably be the guy.

RB

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I see this guy almost every time I go to Vegas. Plays with a huge wad of C notes in NL games with no cap. Plays tighter than hell and when he picks up AA, KK or maybe AK he pushes it all in and dares you to give it ago. Someone generally will, he racks up their chips and heads to the next spot on his rotation. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]