Very Passive Play

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A previous hand :

3-way Hero raises AJ from the SB, 45/22/1.5 3-bets, Hero calls.

Flop - A59r
Hero check/calls

Turn - 7
Hero check/calls

River - T
Hero check/calls

Villain shows 33 and Hero takes down the pot, Villain bet 33 on this board on the river with position.

This leads me to this hand :

Hero raises TT from the SB, 3-way, Villain 3-bets, Hero calls.

Flop - 438r
Hero check/calls

Turn - J
Hero check/calls

River - 4
Hero check/calls

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[CUIRASSIER]

Why do you play hand 1 so weak? Id check raise the flop or more likely the turn.

Your second hand,
I cap pre flop, bet out flop and call down if raised.

Or if i just called the 3 bet I would check raise the flop, bet out turn and call down if raised.

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Why do you play hand 1 so weak? Id check raise the flop or more likely the turn.

Your second hand,
I cap pre flop, bet out flop and call down if raised.

Or if i just called the 3 bet I would check raise the flop, bet out turn and call down if raised.

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Can you tell me what the advantages are for all of these and what hands you expect to get to call down that he would not bet himself, and which hands that he would continue to bet that he would fold if I had played more aggressively?

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[Hobbs.]

cap preflop in hand 1 or get more bets in postflop.

c/r the flop in hand 2 and go from the there.

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cap preflop in hand 1 or get more bets in postflop.

c/r the flop in hand 2 and go from the there.

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Against a TAG I would take these lines, against an aggressive guy who will bet every street whether or not he has the best hand but not call with all of his holdings I don't see any point.

I need to be persuaded and at the moment I don't see any reasoning for these lines.

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[dietlime]

I think hand one is fine.

In hand 2 we are much more vulnerable to free cards so I would play it stronger. I think we are clearly ahead of his 3-betting range after the flop.

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I think hand one is fine.

In hand 2 we are much more vulnerable to free cards so I would play it stronger. I think we are clearly ahead of his 3-betting range after the flop.

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Here is the logic in hand 2 :

If he bets every single street improved or not,

he will sometimes have 2 outs, sometimes have 3, and sometimes have 6.

If we c/r flop and bet turn, we will often lose 1/2 an sb. as he will often fold the river UI. We will also sometimes get raised when he holds a better hand and lose 2bb which imo makes up for the 1/2 an sb that we lose when he would call down our flop c/r.

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[TheGunner]

I would donk the river in hand 1.

I like hand 2 against a player like that.

[Hobbs.]

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cap preflop in hand 1 or get more bets in postflop.

c/r the flop in hand 2 and go from the there.

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Against a TAG I would take these lines, against an aggressive guy who will bet every street whether or not he has the best hand but not call with all of his holdings I don't see any point.

I need to be persuaded and at the moment I don't see any reasoning for these lines.

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42/22's don't like folding pairs postflop. Good enough???

[winky51]

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cap preflop in hand 1 or get more bets in postflop.

c/r the flop in hand 2 and go from the there.

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Of course you still have not explained why?

Hand 1: If the opponent is NOT a calling station and will fold BUT will bet all the way I think check calling is fine. Either you are WA or WB. Here you get the most chips when you have him beat and lose the least when he has you beat. Any other way you lose more or win less.

Why CAP PF? What are you trying to accomplish? He isnt folding AK or AQ unimproved, they never do. But he might fold 33 or 66 on an Ace board. Also he will raise you on the flop with AK and an Ace there. You call down now? You lose the same amount difference is that you increase his chance to fold his pair. Also most of his reraising hands are better than AJ. Usually when someone raises from the SB their hand is pretty damn good so the BB reraiser's hand should be better.

Now if he reraises with anything then CAPping would be right, but I don't see that here.

Hand 2: Heres is just the opposite. You most likely have the better hand so CAP it preflop. While you don't mind AK calling down unimproved you really just want to win the pot on the flop. Also if you CAP and he calls the flop and raises the turn with an ace or K on board you can safely fold. You represented AK by CAPping PF. Here it gains you the most while allowing you to lose the least if he has the better hand.