2/4 JJ Flop Decision

Bluffoon · #1 05-04-2006, 03:44 PM

Two opponents first a little too loose preflop and the other a little looser. They both raise preflop about 10% and the first one is agressive postflop the second one not so much.

I get J [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] UTG+1 and I raise.

MP1 three bets and the cutoff cold calls blinds fold I call.

Flop 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 10.5 sb

I check Mp1 bets and the CO calls I ?????

crunchy1 · #2 05-04-2006, 03:48 PM

Fold.

Warren Harding · #3 05-04-2006, 04:32 PM

You're walking down the wrong alley. Turn back before you get robbed.

James. · #4 05-04-2006, 04:55 PM

2 jack outs, .75 outs for the 2nd nut flush draw, .5 outs for the one gapper gutshot, 3.25ish(generous IMO) outs getting 12.5-1. it's actually closer than i originally thought, but factoring in the times you make your hand and its only second best, the times you still don't have the price to draw to the gutter on the turn, and the fact that four to a flush or straight will kill your implied odds, i fold. and it isn't as tough a fold as i may have made it out to be. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Bluffoon · #5 05-04-2006, 05:16 PM

Thanks guys I seem to have been folding alot of winners lately. I folded this and I would have won and looking at it after I thought it still looked like a close fold but I wasnt so sure.

somapopper · #6 05-04-2006, 07:17 PM

bet/folding the flop is probably the only way you're going to win if you're good, but I can't imagine you're good often enough to invest another sb, so c/f.

shark6 · #7 05-04-2006, 07:41 PM

There are a lot of good flops for JJ. This, however, has 2 overcards and action after of you.

Fold flop.

Harv72b · #8 05-04-2006, 11:14 PM

Without the CO in the hand it's a lot closer (factoring in the times you were 3-bet by a worse PP with the times you can get QQ to fold), but with CO too you just can't make a play at this pot. And if your opponents aren't so good (which it sounds like from your reads), then you can't really count on getting QQ or even the case jacks to fold at any point.

Bluffoon · #9 05-05-2006, 01:17 AM

Yeah if I thought I had any chance of running these guys over I would have capped preflop.